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Old February 27, 2019, 08:01 AM   #26
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But...aren't recoil operated guns (Browning A5) and inertia guns (Benelli/Stoeger & others ) different in operation, ie, two separate action types? I see the terms and guns being used interchangeably in this thread. Is that exactly right?

Traditionally, the A5 has been thought of as reliable but a kicker and somewhat slow cycling. The inertial guns are usually touted as reliable, moderate kickers, and very fast cycling.
Correct, those are the three basic semi actions (including the gas). (There are a few quirky one-off variations, but those are somewhat rare)
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Old February 28, 2019, 02:10 AM   #27
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Would the Winchester Model 50 semi-auto be considered an 'inertia' shotgun by today's standards?

I know their advertising made a HUGE deal about it not being a long-recoil operated shotgun, a la Browning Auto 5.

I have read it referred to as a short-recoil shotgun. but, what is the difference between short recoil and inertia?

Thanks- interesting thread!
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Old February 28, 2019, 02:40 AM   #28
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Would the Winchester Model 50 semi-auto be considered an 'inertia' shotgun by today's standards?



I know their advertising made a HUGE deal about it not being a long-recoil operated shotgun, a la Browning Auto 5.



I have read it referred to as a short-recoil shotgun. but, what is the difference between short recoil and inertia?



Thanks- interesting thread!
Winchester model 50 is indeed special. Haven't seen one myself, but read about it. It is considered half short recoil and half inertia.

If the barrel moves back more than a shell length, as in an A5, it is considered long recoil; short recoil otherwise if the barrel moves at all. Model 50 actually has a floating chamber that moves back about 1/4" locked, then the inertia action finishes the rest of the cycling.

For sure it is not a gas operated action.

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Old February 28, 2019, 08:11 AM   #29
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My shotgun needs tend towards the self defense aspects, and I have two. A Mossberg 500 made to be as short as possible with an 18” barrel and a 12” lop stock.
My semi is a Beretta 1201FP, which is like a Benelli M1 Super 90...an inertia gun. It is indeed very fast, and since my last auto was a long recoil Remington Model 11 (Auto 5) I don’t really notice any recoil difference.
As far as the Auto 5 action being slow cycling, I’ve seen the Model 11 fire five rounds of 00 Buck so fast that all five empty hulls were airborne in a short line...seemed plenty fast to me.
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Old March 3, 2019, 04:21 PM   #30
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Of course, there is always the design Mr. Browning's son, Val, helped develop, the "short-recoil" Browning "Double-Auto", one of the finest examples of an auto shotgun ever made for hunting upland birds, imo.
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Old March 5, 2019, 08:20 PM   #31
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Someone mentioned earlier that a gas operated shotgun will reliably feed "lighter rounds", like 7/8oz target loads better than inertia guns. I do not have experience with the inertia guns, but, my Mossberg 930 "Duck Commander" [discontinued] field gun shoots all factory loads very reliably and is a very soft shooter. I looked at a couple of Benelli's, but, those were out of my price range at the time. Happy with the 930's performance so far. About 2,000 rounds, no hiccups. It is strictly a upland and occasional trap gun.
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Rifletom how often do you clean it? And any problems with cleaning?
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Old March 5, 2019, 10:55 PM   #33
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Blindstitch, about every 250-300 rounds I suppose. No, not really. First time was simply a learning experience, after that, pretty simple. Clean like any other semi, make sure the gas ports are clean and away you go. I really like it, so, I'm not sure why some complain about these. Perhaps it has to do with the JM models and the fast shooting, extended mag version. Not sure. No complaints on my end. A fine semi-auto shotgun for my needs.
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Old March 6, 2019, 10:10 AM   #35
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Someone mentioned earlier that a gas operated shotgun will reliably feed "lighter rounds", like 7/8oz target loads better than inertia guns. I do not have experience with the inertia guns, but, my Mossberg 930 "Duck Commander" [discontinued] field gun shoots all factory loads very reliably and is a very soft shooter. I looked at a couple of Benelli's, but, those were out of my price range at the time. Happy with the 930's performance so far. About 2,000 rounds, no hiccups. It is strictly a upland and occasional trap gun.
I have 2 Beretta A400s, the Xcel and the Xplor Unico. Both handle my 3/4oz reloads with zero malfs. Makes shooting a lot of targets in one day enjoyable.
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FITASC, good to know. As mentioned, I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge of inertia guns.
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Old March 6, 2019, 11:10 AM   #37
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Mine are gas guns. Inertia guns wouldn't cycle those loads.
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LOL! Well, still good to know. Shows you my infinite knowledge of shotguns. Gads!
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