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Old July 19, 2006, 08:22 PM   #1
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are muzzleloading firearms subject to the nfa?

i dont plan on doing this just curious if i baught a black powder shotgun would it be leagal to saw off the stock and barrel under the legal limit?
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Old July 19, 2006, 10:06 PM   #2
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Don't take this as gospel, but yes I think you can do whatever in the world you want with ML rifles like that, since they are not firearms, EXCEPT for:

-Savage 10MLs, because they are smokeless powder-capable, and
-Any rifle system that is interchangeable with metallic-cartridge rifle barrels, like T/C Contender & Encore, NEF Handi/ Huntsman, Rossis, CVA Optima Pro, etc.

Hmm, this brings up an interesting question - say I have a pre-1891 "non-firearm" like an early Mosin or Commission Rifle. Could I make that into an 'SBR' and not have it be considered an 'SBR'? Vewwy Vewwy Intewesting.
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Old July 20, 2006, 02:41 PM   #3
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Black powder guns are not firearms as defined by the ATF and therefore not subject to ATF regulations.
Matter a fact (beside NY and MA) you can carry them concealed without a CCW!
NY changed the law, after a stock broker was (falsely) arrested in NYC for carrying a black powder single shoot in a brief case. The charges were dismissed in court, because up until NY changed to law it was not a firearm and therefore could be carried anywhere.
Of cause MASS followed this step ASAP!
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Old July 20, 2006, 06:07 PM   #4
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Yeah, do whatever you want with a black powder gun.

I don't believe you can saw off a pre-1891 without registration. It is might be possible to own with registration if it was chopped prior to 1891, but I'm really not sure at all.
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Old July 23, 2006, 11:11 PM   #5
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"It is might be possible to own with registration if it was chopped prior to 1891......"

Good luck getting that verified with a rifle that has probably changed hands a dozen times over.
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