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December 18, 2019, 07:44 PM | #276 |
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SIG is offering their version of 6.8 to the public as .277 Fury.
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December 18, 2019, 08:03 PM | #277 |
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Does anyone seriously think that a 6.8 bullet is magic, and it will penetrate level 4 armor that a 7.62X51 armor piercing bullet will not penetrate.
This whole thing is a joke.
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December 20, 2019, 06:36 AM | #278 |
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To hear the 6.5 guys talk, those cartridges have made the 6.8 superfluous to the point of obsolescence.
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December 21, 2019, 09:04 AM | #279 |
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I love the idea of a $20 unreloadable case.
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December 23, 2019, 07:18 PM | #280 |
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Operating at 80kpsi has got to burn out barells faster than a 6.5-300wby. In a belt fed weapon id imagine you would have to change barells every time you loaded another belt.
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I read in one of these articles where the barrel is treated with something or had something done to it to reduce wear. Also read some comments to an article where someone has fired the beltfeed and semi and recoil is reduced to the M4 and an AR10. If all of this is true, pretty impressive and a game changer.
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December 24, 2019, 11:28 AM | #282 |
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According to a GunsAmerica interview with SIG, the case will be reloadable. However, the case, primer, and powder are all proprietary and only available from SIG... so....
SIG claims to have some magic combo of barrel coating and proprietary powder that addresses barrel life issues; but they haven’t yet given any hard numbers. Something like a stellite lining would extend barrel life; but I doubt it would be cost-effective. |
December 27, 2019, 04:39 AM | #283 |
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I'm tired of deleting driveby posts from this thread.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/faq...aq_forum_rules If you have something of substance to offer, please do so. If your idea of participation is a one liner devoid of substance and intelligent content (i.e. a driveby post) then save your time and mine by keeping it to yourself.
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December 27, 2019, 08:52 AM | #284 |
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Of the three major competitors, Sig's appears to be the closest to what we are accustomed to as conventional bottleneck case designs. The others I've seen are not and I have huge doubts they are designed to be reloaded (never heard of reloading being part of a military contract spec). Sig, in general, is a very smart outfit when it come to designing things IMO. I just can't afford them : ) They have a new design higher pressure cartridge, and ready-to-go ammo and new light-weight rifle that looks like it's designed to cover both bench and hunting bases.
Smart, very smart IMO.
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January 5, 2020, 12:16 PM | #286 |
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More updates on the candidate rifles from AUSA back in Fall: https://taskandpurpose.com/army-next...-weapon-photos
One interesting tidbit, apparently the True Velocity entry relies on barrel length rather than fancy powder to achieve its velocity. That explains the bullpup configuration to meet Army requirements. Also, selecting a winner is now planned for Q1 2022 with actual fielding to first units around Q1 2023. That means SIG’s 6.8x51 entry will hit the civilian market three years before it gets fielded to the Army (if they end up being the winner and introduce the .277 Fury as planned). Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; January 5, 2020 at 12:33 PM. |
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So 2021 fielding to 2023 fielding. Pushbacks and changes yet to come.
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The program is still on track but you now have confirmation that the US Army WILL be replacing 5.56mm sooner rather than later. From post 175: https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=175 Quote:
The program is still on its original track with the goal of having a mature weapon ready for fielding by late 2021. They expect that prototype will be ADOPTED in early 2022 and fielded by 2023. The original timeline has not changed. |
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The earliest award date was Textron in December 2017:
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Going by the very first award data they have until May 2020 to adopt one of the prototypes before they are pushing back the original timeline. The intention is to finish the work as quickly as possible. They are actually slightly ahead of their intended schedule which goes to show the resolve to replace anemic 5.56mm for our warfighters. Surprising that a Government program would be ahead of schedule. |
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The timeline is posted. They have the prototypes #1 and #2 from the previous DOTC and RON. 2nd Quarter of the second year of the program would be June 2019.... It is kind of obvious...just saying. |
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It looks like the Army is buying 38 prototype rifles and 28 prototype automatic rifles from three different companies this year and plans to pick a winner in late 2021. link It also looks like the Army is planning on the bulk of its soldiers keeping the M4 and M249.
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April 22, 2020, 05:39 PM | #293 |
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Holy COW!!! The article says 36M for the first 4000 optics. Somebody check my math, thats $9,000 per scope!!!
Thats not a lot in SF terms, but to give to an avg Joe...thats huge. |
May 22, 2020, 02:01 PM | #294 |
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The Marines have signed on to replacing the M27s they just bought with NGSW apparently. Although, they aren’t hypothetically fielding until 2025.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...dopt-the-ngsw/ |
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Interview with the project management directors for NGSW:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-us-army-ngsw/ Project still on schedule despite coronavirus. Two new advanced fire control units (fancy optics) from Vortex and L3 competing along with the rifles now. |
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In a book you might be familiar with, "The Gun" by CH Chivers, didn't the (former USMC infantry Captain) author state that a primary decision about switching to the initial Armalite/M-16 was decided on the patio of an Air Force General... ..... during a casual BBQ? You also seemed to state that normal channels of design and testing were bypassed in several ways. Author CH Chivers described an Army (or Air Force) comparison between 5.56 and 7.62x39 cartridges using Human Heads as targets , and that the Pentagon read the results and locked away the results in a secure drawer or safe? This last comment was for entertainment value, only. Last edited by Ignition Override; August 2, 2020 at 11:45 PM. |
October 11, 2020, 04:11 PM | #298 |
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Video of some Youtubers getting hands on with the Textron candidate:
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I thought 9 grand was the going rate for a toilet seat?
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