Is Cerakote really the most durable finish?

C0untZer0 · January 12, 2012, 12:01 AM

Rohrbaugh introduced a new version of their R9 - the Coyote:

They state:

Quote:

The NEW Rohrbaugh R9 Coyote 9mm Pistol features Cerakote™ Firearm Coatings, which improve performance and reliability over conventional finishes. This state-of-the-art coating technology out-performs any competitive coating in both laboratory settings and real world applications.

ripnbst · January 12, 2012, 12:23 AM

From all data I've seen, yes it is the best coating available today.

EDIT: This is the data I am referring to. Done by the Cerakote company so take it with a grain of salt I guess but still, data doesn't lie.

Bill DeShivs · January 12, 2012, 02:31 AM

Cerakote is not as durable as: nickel, hard chrome, nitriding, cobalt.
It maybe the most durable paint, but it's still paint.

nimbleVagrant · January 12, 2012, 02:48 AM

Is it better than Birdsong?

CastleBravo · January 12, 2012, 11:54 AM

Quote:

EDIT: This is the data I am referring to. Done by the Cerakote company so take it with a grain of salt I guess but still, data doesn't lie.

Huh? People fudge data all the time.

Insert obvious joke about politics here.

Deja vu · January 12, 2012, 04:12 PM

I was told that TiN is the most durable... I know they use it on drill bits and such.

Officer's Match · January 12, 2012, 04:19 PM

Ionbond or Dave Severn's Hard Hat would be my top considerations.

lamarw · January 12, 2012, 05:18 PM

I agree with Bill, but it may depend on the definition of finish or coating. In my personal opinion, the gun in the picture is one ugly critter. LOL

zombieslayer · January 13, 2012, 11:27 AM

Dan Wesson's Duty finish is tough as nails. Bonded to the metal at the molecular level. As far as I know its the toughest finish out there. Definitely not a paint!

Olympus · January 13, 2012, 11:42 AM

C0untZer0 · January 17, 2012, 02:48 PM

Supposedly this picture of the R9 Coyote doesn't do it justice.

I think maybe this is a Photo-shopped version or something. According to Carl Rohrbaugh the new Cerakoted version of the pistol doesn't really look like this - it's more tan colored.

They took the picture down from their website, an actual photo of the real thing will be put up there soon.

tahunua001 · January 17, 2012, 02:59 PM

cerakote has a number of colors so it's probably the most decorative coating to choose from. it isn't going to be as tough as most treatments but after a great deal of research I would say it is the toughest coating availible. you have to realize that you are comparing a compound that is being applied to the outside and baked to harden to treatments which actually change the characteristics of the metal itself. no coating will last as long as the metal it's on but cerakote should definitely last a couple decades as long as you dont manhandle it on a daily basis

Skans · January 17, 2012, 04:34 PM

The frame is still just coated aluminum - I don't see how it would be a superior coating to that used on a Glock slide or the hard chrome used by Witness.

If Rohrbaugh claims that their gun is "tough", lets see them put it through a torture test. I'd like to see it go up against the Ruger LC9. Blast 'em, rub 'em in dirt, soake 'em in salt water - is the Rohrbaugh up to the task??? Or are they going to cry about how it's not meant to be a range gun, etc. etc.

checkmyswag · January 17, 2012, 07:53 PM

Everytime I read cerakote as creosote.

spilot11 · January 17, 2012, 08:01 PM

obviously the rohrbaugh isn't a range gun...who'd want to shoot a pocket 9mm that much? It's a gorgeous gun, still the best in its class. it's not a plastic keltec knockoff like the lc9

Mrgunsngear · January 17, 2012, 08:09 PM

I agree with the above statements that if you consider a finish a paint, then yes. But, melonite/ionbond/tennifer will all be more corrosion resistant. Electroless nickel (and its' variants) as well. But, cerekote certainly will beat out duracoat or alumahyde for sure.

C0untZer0 · January 18, 2012, 12:41 AM

Well Aluminum doesn't "rust" it just sort of gets powdery when it oxidizes right? The coating on the Aluminum frame is for lubricity and looks.

Not that I like this color at all or even like Cerakote - I'd much rather have NP3+

And.. I don't really need the R9 to pass a torture test, I'm not going to be wading through swamps with it, doing the low-crawl under concertina through mud, or trudging through the desert with it.

I know lint can cause malfunctions, but I'll make sure I keep it clean.

Skans · January 18, 2012, 09:27 AM

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And.. I don't really need the R9 to pass a torture test, I'm not going to be wading through swamps with it, doing the low-crawl under concertina through mud, or trudging through the desert with it.

But, wouldn't you like to be able to shoot the heck out of it, with no breakages and little signs of wear so that you could become proficient with it? If the R9 was all steel and had a tough hard-chrome finish on it and a reputation for being "indestructible", that would make me a customer....Rohrbaugh could even put me down for 2.

zombieslayer · January 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

There's been this desire to own a Rohrbaugh in me for a while now. If they would build me an all stainless one I'd gladly buy it. I just prefer stainless.

C0untZer0 · January 19, 2012, 03:52 PM

People have asked for that but from what I read on the Rohrbaugh forum - Carl Rohrbaugh's goal was to make the smallest most lightweight 9mm pistol possible and making one all steel moves it away from what he was trying to accomplish.

I definately think he would sell them if he made them.

I'd like to get a raw R9 and send it to Robar to get NP3+ a-fied. I think Robar charges to remove the Titan Kote on the Alum frame.

C0untZer0 · January 23, 2012, 10:02 AM

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/rohr...-at-shot-2012/

I wonder if this is the wave of the future, gun manufacturers don't put a finish on their firearms like Tennifer or whatever, they just put a coating on it like Cerakote / Whatevercoat.

January 12, 2012, 12:23 AM	#2
ripnbst Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 1,552	From all data I've seen, yes it is the best coating available today. EDIT: This is the data I am referring to. Done by the Cerakote company so take it with a grain of salt I guess but still, data doesn't lie. Last edited by ripnbst; January 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM.

January 12, 2012, 02:31 AM	#3
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Cerakote is not as durable as: nickel, hard chrome, nitriding, cobalt. It maybe the most durable paint, but it's still paint. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

January 12, 2012, 04:12 PM	#6
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	I was told that TiN is the most durable... I know they use it on drill bits and such. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

January 12, 2012, 04:19 PM	#7
Officer's Match Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2007 Location: LANCASTER,OHIO Posts: 3,944	Ionbond or Dave Severn's Hard Hat would be my top considerations. __________________ REAL EYES REALIZE REAL LIES

January 13, 2012, 11:27 AM	#9
zombieslayer Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,198	Dan Wesson's Duty finish is tough as nails. Bonded to the metal at the molecular level. As far as I know its the toughest finish out there. Definitely not a paint! __________________ "An angry prophet, denouncing the hypocrisies of our time"

January 12, 2012, 02:48 AM	#4
nimbleVagrant Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2008 Posts: 367	Is it better than Birdsong?

January 12, 2012, 05:18 PM	#8
lamarw Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2010 Location: Lake Martin, AL Posts: 3,311	I agree with Bill, but it may depend on the definition of finish or coating. In my personal opinion, the gun in the picture is one ugly critter. LOL

January 13, 2012, 11:42 AM	#10
Olympus Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2008 Posts: 770

January 17, 2012, 02:48 PM	#11
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Supposedly this picture of the R9 Coyote doesn't do it justice. I think maybe this is a Photo-shopped version or something. According to Carl Rohrbaugh the new Cerakoted version of the pistol doesn't really look like this - it's more tan colored. They took the picture down from their website, an actual photo of the real thing will be put up there soon.

January 17, 2012, 02:59 PM	#12
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	cerakote has a number of colors so it's probably the most decorative coating to choose from. it isn't going to be as tough as most treatments but after a great deal of research I would say it is the toughest coating availible. you have to realize that you are comparing a compound that is being applied to the outside and baked to harden to treatments which actually change the characteristics of the metal itself. no coating will last as long as the metal it's on but cerakote should definitely last a couple decades as long as you dont manhandle it on a daily basis __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

January 17, 2012, 04:34 PM	#13
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	The frame is still just coated aluminum - I don't see how it would be a superior coating to that used on a Glock slide or the hard chrome used by Witness. If Rohrbaugh claims that their gun is "tough", lets see them put it through a torture test. I'd like to see it go up against the Ruger LC9. Blast 'em, rub 'em in dirt, soake 'em in salt water - is the Rohrbaugh up to the task??? Or are they going to cry about how it's not meant to be a range gun, etc. etc.

January 17, 2012, 07:53 PM	#14
checkmyswag Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,328	Everytime I read cerakote as creosote.

January 17, 2012, 08:01 PM	#15
spilot11 Junior Member Join Date: June 15, 2011 Posts: 6	obviously the rohrbaugh isn't a range gun...who'd want to shoot a pocket 9mm that much? It's a gorgeous gun, still the best in its class. it's not a plastic keltec knockoff like the lc9

January 17, 2012, 08:09 PM	#16
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	I agree with the above statements that if you consider a finish a paint, then yes. But, melonite/ionbond/tennifer will all be more corrosion resistant. Electroless nickel (and its' variants) as well. But, cerekote certainly will beat out duracoat or alumahyde for sure. __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

January 18, 2012, 12:41 AM	#17
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Well Aluminum doesn't "rust" it just sort of gets powdery when it oxidizes right? The coating on the Aluminum frame is for lubricity and looks. Not that I like this color at all or even like Cerakote - I'd much rather have NP3+ And.. I don't really need the R9 to pass a torture test, I'm not going to be wading through swamps with it, doing the low-crawl under concertina through mud, or trudging through the desert with it. I know lint can cause malfunctions, but I'll make sure I keep it clean.

January 19, 2012, 03:33 PM	#19
zombieslayer Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,198	There's been this desire to own a Rohrbaugh in me for a while now. If they would build me an all stainless one I'd gladly buy it. I just prefer stainless. __________________ "An angry prophet, denouncing the hypocrisies of our time"

January 19, 2012, 03:52 PM	#20
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	People have asked for that but from what I read on the Rohrbaugh forum - Carl Rohrbaugh's goal was to make the smallest most lightweight 9mm pistol possible and making one all steel moves it away from what he was trying to accomplish. I definately think he would sell them if he made them. I'd like to get a raw R9 and send it to Robar to get NP3+ a-fied. I think Robar charges to remove the Titan Kote on the Alum frame.

January 23, 2012, 10:02 AM	#21
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	This is a better picture of the Cerakoted R9 http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/rohr...-at-shot-2012/ I wonder if this is the wave of the future, gun manufacturers don't put a finish on their firearms like Tennifer or whatever, they just put a coating on it like Cerakote / Whatevercoat.