H4895/imr4895

Wildalaska · August 22, 2005, 07:51 PM

Ive been using 47.5 grains IMR 4895 with a 150 Hornady and CCI 34 for my garand, functions beautifully, shoots nice...never worked it, just went with it as it seems a standard load

Anyone see any probs about using H4895 instead??? maybe drop to 47 to account for faster burn

WildnotalwaysomniscientAlaska

BigSlick · August 22, 2005, 08:11 PM

I've been using 47.5 of H4895 for years in my Garand. I used to use IMR.

I lucked into some H4895 when an old friend had to give up reloading due to his eyesight being so bad. I picked up about 12 pounds, about two pounds is left. It's the only rifle I use it for.

I have tried loads from 46.5 to 48gr and 47.5 seems to shoot best. It tosses the brass about 15 ft. Accurate (for a Garand) and burns cleaner than the IMR I used to use.

HTH

BigSlick

Two months away from having enough cash together for the 500 WWG

**Unclenick** · August 22, 2005, 08:15 PM

Dittos for the 150 grain. I believe 46.5 grains of IMR4895 was the government spec load for the 172 grain bullet. I've also had good luck with Varget in the Garand loaded to about 49 grains with a 150 grain MatchKing, and 48 grains with the 175 grain MK.

Nick

Wildalaska · August 23, 2005, 10:15 PM

Ive been thinking of dropping to a 147 grain winchester bullet (which I can get in bulk)...anyone using the Hodgon/Imr with that one

WildcuriousAlaska

Peter M. Eick · August 24, 2005, 06:26 PM

I found the 147 winchester bulk FMJ to be quite "un-accurate" and really discouraged me for the whole 2000 odd bullets I bought. I was shocked at how my groups improved when I switched to 168 Seirra's BTHP's.

Just an observation.

Wildalaska · August 24, 2005, 06:40 PM

Im not trying to do match loads, I mostly like to just plink with the Garand and M1A.....

If Im gonna shoot match loads, gonna use a superior cartridge anyway, the 6.5x55..

WildflamesuitonAlaska

BigSlick · August 24, 2005, 10:38 PM

I have used 147gr ball pulls from surplus in the Garand with H4895 @ 48.3 gr with pretty good accuracy (again, for a Garand).

The only thing I have found is seating depth is crucial for accuracy. Oddly enough, a little deeper seating gives better accuracy than loaded long.

I have not tried anything heavier than the 150gr, but have a shooting buddy who uses 168 BTHP in his Garand with amazing results. His Garand has a long pedigree, mine is simply a favorite to shoot, about as mixed breed as you could put together.

I don't shoot the 168's because 30-06 is already costly enough to load. I generally load for casual shooting and range ammo for introducing a newbie to the Garand thumb

BigSlick

**Unclenick** · August 25, 2005, 07:17 AM

Ditto Peter's experience with the 147 grain Winchesters. My dad bought some bulk and wound up giving them away. My Garand (accurized) has shot any number of sub-m.o.a. 10 shot strings of prone slow at 100 yards with 168 grain Sierra MK's. It does almost as well with the 150 gr MK's. With the 147 grain Winchesters it won't stay in 5 inches reliably. This means even plinking at stones 25 yards away would not be possible to do reliably with this combination. Find some other cheap bulk bullet, then try a small box first.

Nick

Peter M. Eick · August 25, 2005, 06:22 PM

I am glad I was not the only one with that experience. I remember missing clay pigeons at 100 yards with my Supermatch with 147 winchesters thinking I was a really bad shot.

I retrospect, I wonder why I burned up so much of the barrels life on cruddy bullets. I should have just thrown them in the dumpster.

CHM · August 26, 2005, 10:03 AM

I have used 46 gr 2230 with 147 gr bulk loads with good, not match, accuracy in my Garand. I have used the same load in my 700BDL and achieved 1-2 MOA consistently.

grendelbane · August 26, 2005, 06:50 PM

Midway recently advertized an 150 grain FMJ .30 caliber bullet. It was manufactured by Igman, and I am assuming it is a copy of the classic M2 Ball from the WWII era. I have considered buying some to load up some plinking rounds for my Garand and 03-A3.

Has anyone had any experience with this bullet?

August 22, 2005, 07:51 PM	#1
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	H4895/imr4895 Ive been using 47.5 grains IMR 4895 with a 150 Hornady and CCI 34 for my garand, functions beautifully, shoots nice...never worked it, just went with it as it seems a standard load Anyone see any probs about using H4895 instead??? maybe drop to 47 to account for faster burn WildnotalwaysomniscientAlaska

August 22, 2005, 08:11 PM	#2
BigSlick Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Texas of course Posts: 277	I've been using 47.5 of H4895 for years in my Garand. I used to use IMR. I lucked into some H4895 when an old friend had to give up reloading due to his eyesight being so bad. I picked up about 12 pounds, about two pounds is left. It's the only rifle I use it for. I have tried loads from 46.5 to 48gr and 47.5 seems to shoot best. It tosses the brass about 15 ft. Accurate (for a Garand) and burns cleaner than the IMR I used to use. HTH BigSlick Two months away from having enough cash together for the 500 WWG __________________ Nobody likes war, but if you find yourself in one - fight for those you serve with and to make the trip home. Show mercy to those that deserve it and a relentless, ruthless, cunning evil to those who don't.

August 24, 2005, 06:26 PM	#5
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,991	I found the 147 winchester bulk FMJ to be quite "un-accurate" and really discouraged me for the whole 2000 odd bullets I bought. I was shocked at how my groups improved when I switched to 168 Seirra's BTHP's. Just an observation. __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

August 24, 2005, 10:38 PM	#7
BigSlick Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Texas of course Posts: 277	I have used 147gr ball pulls from surplus in the Garand with H4895 @ 48.3 gr with pretty good accuracy (again, for a Garand). The only thing I have found is seating depth is crucial for accuracy. Oddly enough, a little deeper seating gives better accuracy than loaded long. I have not tried anything heavier than the 150gr, but have a shooting buddy who uses 168 BTHP in his Garand with amazing results. His Garand has a long pedigree, mine is simply a favorite to shoot, about as mixed breed as you could put together. I don't shoot the 168's because 30-06 is already costly enough to load. I generally load for casual shooting and range ammo for introducing a newbie to the Garand thumb BigSlick __________________ Nobody likes war, but if you find yourself in one - fight for those you serve with and to make the trip home. Show mercy to those that deserve it and a relentless, ruthless, cunning evil to those who don't.

August 25, 2005, 06:22 PM	#9
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,991	I am glad I was not the only one with that experience. I remember missing clay pigeons at 100 yards with my Supermatch with 147 winchesters thinking I was a really bad shot. I retrospect, I wonder why I burned up so much of the barrels life on cruddy bullets. I should have just thrown them in the dumpster. __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

August 22, 2005, 08:15 PM	#3
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Dittos for the 150 grain. I believe 46.5 grains of IMR4895 was the government spec load for the 172 grain bullet. I've also had good luck with Varget in the Garand loaded to about 49 grains with a 150 grain MatchKing, and 48 grains with the 175 grain MK. Nick

August 23, 2005, 10:15 PM	#4
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Ive been thinking of dropping to a 147 grain winchester bullet (which I can get in bulk)...anyone using the Hodgon/Imr with that one WildcuriousAlaska

August 24, 2005, 06:40 PM	#6
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Im not trying to do match loads, I mostly like to just plink with the Garand and M1A..... If Im gonna shoot match loads, gonna use a superior cartridge anyway, the 6.5x55.. WildflamesuitonAlaska

August 25, 2005, 07:17 AM	#8
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Ditto Peter's experience with the 147 grain Winchesters. My dad bought some bulk and wound up giving them away. My Garand (accurized) has shot any number of sub-m.o.a. 10 shot strings of prone slow at 100 yards with 168 grain Sierra MK's. It does almost as well with the 150 gr MK's. With the 147 grain Winchesters it won't stay in 5 inches reliably. This means even plinking at stones 25 yards away would not be possible to do reliably with this combination. Find some other cheap bulk bullet, then try a small box first. Nick

August 26, 2005, 10:03 AM	#10
CHM Member Join Date: June 13, 2005 Posts: 20	I have used 46 gr 2230 with 147 gr bulk loads with good, not match, accuracy in my Garand. I have used the same load in my 700BDL and achieved 1-2 MOA consistently.

August 26, 2005, 06:50 PM	#11
grendelbane Member Join Date: August 8, 2005 Posts: 66	Midway recently advertized an 150 grain FMJ .30 caliber bullet. It was manufactured by Igman, and I am assuming it is a copy of the classic M2 Ball from the WWII era. I have considered buying some to load up some plinking rounds for my Garand and 03-A3. Has anyone had any experience with this bullet?