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March 10, 2018, 05:59 PM | #26 | ||
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Any legislative bill that has a 207-line TITLE should be automatically thrown out as undeserving of discussion.
Florida won't be arming any teachers. In addition to requiring 132 hours of training (I've talked to a lot of LEOs and LEO trainers about this, and the most I've heard anyone recommend was 80 hours, most thought 40 would be enough, and I think that's more than necessary), the new law also does NOT include teachers who only teach in classrooms -- which is most of them. Quote:
The criteria to volunteer are essentially equal to what a SWAT team member gets, but these armed teachers have no law enforcement authority. Seriously? Quote:
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March 10, 2018, 07:23 PM | #28 | |
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Teachers are paid for time spent in the class only. If they so elect, they are allowed to spread that amount over 12 months to even out monthly income. Have you ever been a elementary, middle or secondary teacher ... particularly in a single-income family ? Most have second and/or summer jobs just to make ends meet. Aquila Blanca has it right. There will be no classroom protection; and they'll continue to be sitting ducks in a shooting gallery once it starts again. . Last edited by mehavey; March 10, 2018 at 08:37 PM. |
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March 11, 2018, 01:26 AM | #29 | |
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My Cousin was a math teacher for a few years.. He loved it but the pay is terrible after he had a few kids he had no choice but to leave, with house payments and student loans they couldn't make ends meet even though his wife also worked. |
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March 11, 2018, 09:16 AM | #30 |
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This is what happens when laws are written by people who have no idea what they're talking about or when good ideas are gutted by compromise. It's also what happens when laws are written quickly after a tragic event.
<rant> I am a H.S. teacher and have been for 17 years. I am also a U.S. Army veteran and NRA instructor. I have had my CWP for almost 20 years and I can shoot. Under this law, I would not be eligible to participate even if the school district and sheriff did. If given the opportunity, I would provide my own equipment and pay for my own training. 132 hours? Bring it. Unarmed teachers can and do confront active shooters in these situations and they often die as a result. We are taught to be "caretakers", as some have suggested, and that means we are protective of our students. Good teachers care very much about the well-being of their kids and we do get attached to them. I can't speak for all teachers, but I would use deadly force to protect the innocent in a heartbeat. I am responsible for supervising students and ensuring their safety every minute that I am at work, whether I have a class at that moment or not. I am on duty in the halls between classes, before school, after school, and during class change. If something happens during lunch or during my planning period, I am expected to jump in. If I have a class, my first priority is to protect them. If an attacker enters my room, I am the only line of defense and I am unarmed. And that makes me angry. About teaching: It varies by state and I can only speak for mine. I work under a contract that requires 190 days of work for 190 days of pay. It offers virtually no protection (right-to-work state) and that's the way I like it. I do not, and will not, belong to a teacher's union. The district divides my pay into 12 equal payments and I get them via direct deposit. I have no choice in the matter. I do get 15 paid sick/personal days, which I am strongly discouraged from using. I'm not complaining, I'm only setting the record straight. I knew the rules and the realities before choosing this profession. I don't complain about the money because I realize that I only work 10 months a year with great breaks and good benefits. </rant>
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March 11, 2018, 09:45 AM | #31 | |
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True sheepdogs scare the bejeezes out of the Teachers' Union types. What I find interesting is the prohibition against the distributed defense of actual teachers being armed. Did I actually read that right ? That pretty much leaves us w/ Admin types. Oh yeah...... |
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March 11, 2018, 11:27 AM | #32 | ||
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IMHO, any Florida resident should read the full text of the "arm the teachers" portion of this law, and then be enraged. [Edit to add} Chapter 790.06 is the statute establishing concealed carry permits. So to begin qualifying for this program a teacher must have (or obtain) a carry permit -- which in Florida requires training. Then they have to undergo more firearms training than a police academy cadet. (I think -- I spent a couple of hours last night trying to research exactly what the basic POST training requirement is for a rookie officer, and I didn't find it.) Just look at this part: Quote:
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March 11, 2018, 11:41 AM | #33 | |
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And I found the statute referenced in the exclusion, and it does mean that "teachers" will not be allowed to participate in the program.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/1012.01.html Quote:
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