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November 16, 2018, 06:14 PM | #51 |
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Have to wonder if WA may change their reciprocity rulings for concealed carry sometime in the future.
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November 16, 2018, 07:39 PM | #52 |
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The text of 1639 (as written in the WA voter pamphlet) contains no language about carry, open or concealed, by state or out of state residents. Carry is not addressed at all.
SO, 1639 creates no changes in carry law or policy. If the people involved make changes to WA state policy about reciprocity, that's entirely their own decision, not something driven by 1639, except as its passage emboldens further gun control enthusiasts.
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November 17, 2018, 06:31 AM | #53 |
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Never said it was part of the proposal, just noted it is may come; that's all!
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Does this mean what I think it means? You now must release all of your medical records before you can purchase?
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What's the harm in that??? here's a possible example; untrained, unqualified people making decisions using medical records they don't understand. hmmm, says here, you were on anti-depressants for four months in 1993...clearly you are an unstable person, no pistol or semiautomatic assault weapon for YOU!!!! Do remember, human nature being what it is, at least some of those people will have a personal agenda against private firearms ownership, and will act on it at every opportunity. Someone like that, could potentially "downcheck" hundreds, perhaps thousands of applications, before their obvious bias becomes known, if it ever does. Until/unless there is an actual investigation into their integrity, even the flimsiest of excuses can pass muster. In the example I used, their report could just say "applicant on medication for behavioral control" and leave out the small detail that it was for a limited time 25 years ago!! Got a chronic pain issue? On meds (Opioid dependent?) Did you go to grief counseling after your mother unexpectedly dropped dead on the kitchen floor at age 52? Are you a VETERAN??? you might be classified as someone with a PTSD problem and NOT by the medical profession, but by an investigator! And once they put you in that box on their forms, good luck getting out. Reality matters less than you think, sometimes. Things like that could very well happen.
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November 25, 2018, 11:49 PM | #56 |
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If this is allowed to stand, then the constitution is meaningless now.
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November 26, 2018, 11:47 AM | #57 |
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Oh, come on now. Kavanaugh will save you.
Seriously, there is more to the Constitution than an initiative. When antigun laws were passed in many states and SCOTUS wouldn't take up the cases, was the Constitution meaningless?
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November 26, 2018, 12:17 PM | #58 |
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Wow speechless and that’s saying a lot for me
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January 30, 2019, 07:36 PM | #59 |
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The "21-year old" requirement has kicked in, and I believe the rest of the changes become effective at the end of June.
I'm hoping that somebody has a link to the entirety of the new legal changes. The previous links don't work anymore. I want to read about any wording concerning already owned firearms. So far I think the new rules are only concerning further purchases but don't really know. Bart Noir
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January 30, 2019, 08:05 PM | #60 |
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Not clear to me either and I’m seeing reports that more restrictions are in the works.
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As to changes about already owned firearms, they're in there, not only storage requirements, but also the fact that should a thief steal your gun(s), no matter how much or how little security they had to defeat in order to do so, if they steal your gun and commit a crime with it, then YOU are going to be charged with whatever crime THEY committed with your STOLEN gun!!! FWIW, the Franklin County Sheriff was on tv last night, flatly stating he is instructing his officers NOT to enforce the law. Also had the County Commissioner, stating they fully support the Sheriff on this matter. This is a good thing, of course, but there is a down side. Even though not enforced NOW, the law stays on the books until a court rules on it. And administrations and attitudes about enforcement could change before a case finally works its way through the court system.
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February 1, 2019, 08:01 AM | #62 |
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Exactly the "constitution" is meaningless to these wannabe tyrants.
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February 1, 2019, 03:26 PM | #63 |
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Update from last night's late tv news;
Yakima County Sherriff is also not going to enforce the law, either. There are now 7 law enforcement agencies in the state REFUSING to enforce this law, according to last night's news. I fully expect more to refuse to enforce the law, just as they have done with the horridly written background check law, passed the election before last, and still not be enforced by numerous LEOs in the state.
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February 2, 2019, 10:03 AM | #65 |
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And the politicians that want to take our guns away from us, have armed body guards around them.
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February 2, 2019, 09:50 PM | #66 |
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While sheriffs won't, what will be the role of the state police in those areas?
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I'm not certain at this time, the State Patrol did refuse to enforce the background check initiative passed election before last, along with Sheriffs, AND the Conservation Dept., "until they get clarification" of what is, and is not a covered transfer. Been over 3 years now, and to date, such clarification from the State has not yet been forthcoming.
The State Attorney General has said they will support the law, because it is the legal will of the people. No one has said so, but I get the impression they aren't terribly happy with that position. Challenges have been filed, we'll just have to see where it goes...
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February 3, 2019, 03:47 AM | #68 |
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Like i posted Glenn, it depends on the county if the sheriff will enforce it, in fact Mitzi Johanknecht was one of the biggist proponents of I-1639.
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Someone on Facebook has threatened to shoot the Spokane Country Sherriff (and others, apparently) if he doesn't enforce 1639.
Look how far we've come,....some wackjob threatening to shoot the sheriff, (and on social media, no less) if the sheriff doesn't enforce gun control! it was on the 10pm local news...also apparently the same guy said he wanted to shoot Trump, so I hope he gets to chat with some friendly LEOs and Secret Service types very soon...
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AMP 44, leftist are rarely prosecuted these day, just look at ANTIFA's shenanigans.
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February 6, 2019, 12:30 PM | #71 |
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I don’t display any political anything at all. I also don’t display anything gun related. Took the American flag down that used to fly in my yard because I don’t want my front porch fire bombed.
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February 6, 2019, 02:31 PM | #72 |
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The news showed a few snippets of the texts. These were not "he ought to be shot" they were "I will shoot him in the head" messages.
I'm not certain, but I think the "I will shoot him in the head" rises to the legal level of an actual threat. Even if not, I doubt this one will be swept under the rug. Think all those people demanding "red flag" laws and all such measures can ignore that level of "warning"? They'll be shooting themselves in the foot in the court of public opinion if they do.
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February 8, 2019, 08:55 AM | #74 |
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I guess that suggests that law abiding citizens owning more guns means celebrities and politicians need more protection.
I’m not sure why those that have a little more social status has the right to protect themselves but a lowly blue collar family man does not. Back to the topic at hand, Clark County sheriff stated that he will enforce I1639 or whatever it’s known by now. |
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