New CA Idea: State permit requirement to buy ammo or target shoot.

HarrySchell · December 28, 2012, 01:43 PM

http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/26/up-...rget-shooting/

Discussion of the newest bright idea in CA to make shooting more onerous for the law-abiding and those of limited means.

The proposal is to require a annual permit from the state to buy ammo or go target shooting. The state could have up to 30 days to conduct a background check. Any one who goes to a range would need a permit. Being reimbursed by another for buying ammo would make a person a dealer in ammunition, requiring paperwork and another permit.

CA disarmament enthusiasts have worked diligently to make shooting as expensive and difficult as possible for the law-abiding as they can, and it will be interesting to see how their methods are adopted by other states of similar views.

Dr Big Bird PhD · December 28, 2012, 01:59 PM

Im from southern california as well, and this just drives me crazy.

sigcurious · December 28, 2012, 02:01 PM

I didn't see mention of it in the article, is the proposed permit just for purchasing? or possession and purchasing? If it's just for purchasing, an accessories and ammo shop in Primm(and similar border towns) would be a mighty fine idea if that were to pass.

Two other considerations, what about people who want to hunt(from out of state) and does it cover mail-order purchases?

HarrySchell · December 28, 2012, 02:25 PM

CA DOJ used to be very aggressive about going to border towns looking for CA license plates and arranging for a traffic stop and search for contraband when the resident returned to CA. Our current AG would certainly approve more resources for such interdiction if she could find them.

De Leon got a bill passed banning internet purchases in 2010, but it was thrown out of court for being so vague it was impossible to really know what ammo was involved. He was trying to rewrite the bill last year but it did not appear. I suspect the flaw was too broad to fix.

Will see what I can run down on other aspects mentioned.

Alabama Shooter · December 28, 2012, 02:55 PM

This is not a new idea.

hermannr · December 31, 2012, 01:55 PM

And yet CA continues to elect gun grabbers to their legislature????? How come more gun owners are not politically active?

Ben Towe · December 31, 2012, 04:47 PM

Quote:

And yet CA continues to elect gun grabbers to their legislature????? How come more gun owners are not politically active?

I would suspect that the population centers control the state legislature and they are typically very far left. Much the same way that Chicago imposes it's will over the rest of Illinois.

**Tom Servo** · December 31, 2012, 05:45 PM

Let's stay off the left/right politics, please.

FrankenMauser · January 1, 2013, 03:47 PM

He hasn't directly stated how, yet, but I have a relative in California that keeps saying he thinks ammunition ("bullets") should be "much, much, much tougher" for people to get.

As far as he's concerned, impossible to get would be perfectly acceptable as a "reasonable restriction". (He was previously in favor of the 500% ammo tax, as well.)

THAT, as we all know, is the problem with ambiguous terms like "reasonable restrictions"....

Ben Towe · January 1, 2013, 09:03 PM

My apologies Tom. I should have worded that differently.

December 28, 2012, 01:43 PM	#1
HarrySchell Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2007 Location: South CA Posts: 566	New CA Idea: State permit requirement to buy ammo or target shoot. http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/26/up-...rget-shooting/ Discussion of the newest bright idea in CA to make shooting more onerous for the law-abiding and those of limited means. The proposal is to require a annual permit from the state to buy ammo or go target shooting. The state could have up to 30 days to conduct a background check. Any one who goes to a range would need a permit. Being reimbursed by another for buying ammo would make a person a dealer in ammunition, requiring paperwork and another permit. CA disarmament enthusiasts have worked diligently to make shooting as expensive and difficult as possible for the law-abiding as they can, and it will be interesting to see how their methods are adopted by other states of similar views. __________________ Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. — Mark Twain

December 28, 2012, 01:59 PM	#2
Dr Big Bird PhD Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 779	Im from southern california as well, and this just drives me crazy. __________________ I told the new me, "Meet me at the bus station and hold a sign that reads: 'Today is the first day of the rest of your life.'" But the old me met me with a sign that read: "Welcome back." Who you are is not a function of where you are. -Off Minor

December 28, 2012, 02:25 PM	#4
HarrySchell Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2007 Location: South CA Posts: 566	CA DOJ used to be very aggressive about going to border towns looking for CA license plates and arranging for a traffic stop and search for contraband when the resident returned to CA. Our current AG would certainly approve more resources for such interdiction if she could find them. De Leon got a bill passed banning internet purchases in 2010, but it was thrown out of court for being so vague it was impossible to really know what ammo was involved. He was trying to rewrite the bill last year but it did not appear. I suspect the flaw was too broad to fix. Will see what I can run down on other aspects mentioned. __________________ Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. — Mark Twain

December 28, 2012, 02:55 PM	#5
Alabama Shooter Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: Sweet Home Posts: 886	This is not a new idea. __________________ Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.

December 31, 2012, 05:45 PM	#8
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Let's stay off the left/right politics, please. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

December 28, 2012, 02:01 PM	#3
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	I didn't see mention of it in the article, is the proposed permit just for purchasing? or possession and purchasing? If it's just for purchasing, an accessories and ammo shop in Primm(and similar border towns) would be a mighty fine idea if that were to pass. Two other considerations, what about people who want to hunt(from out of state) and does it cover mail-order purchases?

December 31, 2012, 01:55 PM	#6
hermannr Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2011 Posts: 730	And yet CA continues to elect gun grabbers to their legislature????? How come more gun owners are not politically active?

January 1, 2013, 03:47 PM	#9
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	He hasn't directly stated how, yet, but I have a relative in California that keeps saying he thinks ammunition ("bullets") should be "much, much, much tougher" for people to get. As far as he's concerned, impossible to get would be perfectly acceptable as a "reasonable restriction". (He was previously in favor of the 500% ammo tax, as well.) THAT, as we all know, is the problem with ambiguous terms like "reasonable restrictions".... __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

January 1, 2013, 09:03 PM	#10
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	My apologies Tom. I should have worded that differently. __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search