410 shotgun

[Firepower!]

What are great 410s and what is this shell mostly used for? I want one but not sure which to get. I am just expanding my collection so I am in market for bunch of things.

[hillbille]

Don't know what your price range is but one of the better "collectables"/shooters is the winchester model 42 pumps, they will go any where from 800-1800 for basic shooter, to a collecter gun, these are just ballpark prices. years, grades, and condition will affect pricing.

[RoaringBull]

Would a .410 be good for a 9 yo girl? Mine shot her brothers .20 ga and didn't like the kick.

[hillbille]

the kick will be a lot less noticable, but the shot pattern will also be a lot smaller, as there is not as much shot in a 410 shell as the 20ga. simply put she may like the recoil better but it may turn her off if she can't hit what she is shooting at. just a few things to consider.

[RoaringBull]

What about a .28 ga? I've never fired one, so how are they with recoil?

[hillbille]

there again it depends on the gun itself but I have a 28ga sxs that kicks harder than my 870 12ga or my sons 20ga semi. also 28ga shells are extremely high priced just for a kid to shoot and plink with but again that is up to you.

[RoaringBull]

Think I'll just buy her a .22 till she gets a little older. She wants one anyway, probably a better place to start. She wants a .32 bp rifl, too.

[mikenbarb]

RoaringBull, I just got my 10 yr old daughter thats 60 lbs soaking wet a .410 for the same reason and she loves it! After much debate in another thread of why and why not get a .410 for a child I got her one and she cant be more happy that she can hunt with Dad and big brother this year. She complained of the kick of her brothers 20ga. so I had her try a .410 and a 28 gauge. She wanted the .410 and got one. I say go for a .410 and let her have fun. Its a bit limited with the range they shoot but for a kid learning disipline with a shotgun its a good thing. We are only hunting tree rats and rabbits and for deer she is gonna use a 20 gauge. And trust me when I say that we have harvested alot of small game in the past with a .410 and many more to come.

[Firepower!]

hmmm....well what about roughly 4-5K? Whats the best value I can get in that range.

What can you hunt with it other than pheasents?

[mikenbarb]

You can use it for any small game animal within reasonable yardage(30yds and under). We typically use it for squirrel,rabbit and most game birds excluding waterfowl. If you look at my thread "First gun for young hunter" under the shotgun site you will even see a deer taken by a guys daughter with a .410 slug. There was alot of debate on pros and cons in that thread and dont let it discourage you in your choice.
Like I said, My daughter loves hers and she is getting pretty good hitting hand tossed clay birds with it. She loves it and it would take alot to pry it from her to trade off for a larger gauge gun.

[RoaringBull]

As soon as I find one she likes it's hers!!!

[Firepower!]

Seems like a handy little cartridge. Is Jeffereys double barrel 410 any good?

I intend to use it clays and phasents (sp).

[RoaringBull]

I found a little TAMER .410 at Academy for $140. Made by H&R, it seems pretty nice. Anyone know anything about them?

[roy reali]

The shot pattern size from a .410 is about the same size as that from a 20 or even a 12 gauge. That is if the guns in question have equal chokes.

[familywgn]

I'm interested in getting a .410 to have for a fun gun. So lets hear/see the options for the mighty 410!

[hillbille]

sorry roy that did come out wrong, pattern will be same size, just less pellets in the same size pattern.

[rburch]

I take mine everytime my family goes to shoot trap. I was surprised at the range I could hit a clay.

Heck just for the fun of it I took my Snake Charmer II (18" Barrel pistol grip with a silly little shell holder/stock whose only purpose is to make the thing 26")

I prefer my 870 12ga for many reasons, cost of shells being #1, but for smaller shooters, or recoil sensitive, it's a great choice.

[RoaringBull]

I agree about the 870. Mine is probably my favorite gun!

[Firepower!]

What is it about Rem. 870 that is so great? Convinve me and may be I will buy one as well!

On 410. I am repeating my question on 410 Jefferys- how good are they?

[Art Eatman]

The .410 has a couple of drawbacks to be considered: First, as said above, is the fewer number of shot in the pattern. That means "holes" through which a bird can fly.

The second derives from the first: In order to reduce the problem of holes in the pattern, most .410s are full-choke, which means a smaller pattern and thus a need for more precision and skill in pointing. If desired, a gunsmith can ream the barrel from full choke to, say, modified.

If a beginner doesn't understand about these factors, there's going to be a lot of disappointment at the numerous misses.

There are several things which can be done that are helpful. First is to try to make the fit of the gun as near-perfect as possible. For a nine-year-old who's just starting out, the stock most likely will need to be cut down to a proper length of pull.

Length of pull: With the arm bent ninety degrees and the hand in ready-to-shoot position, the butt should barely touch the bicep.

Proper fit: With a proper length of pull, the shotgun should be mounted with the eyes closed and a proper cheek weld is had. When the eyes are opened, the view should be right down the centerline of the barrel, just barely seeing the front sight.

If the front sight is not visible, the stock has too much drop at the comb or the shooter is mounting it too high on the shoulder. If the top of the barrel is visible, there is not enough drop at the comb or the shooter is mounting it too low on the shoulder.

If the line of view is not centered, the stock must be modified to correct that problem.

A competent gunsmith is your friend.

The 870? There are multitudes of them, new and used. They come in all variations from plain vanilla on up to very fancy. There are many add-on after-market options. They are very, very reliable whether new or used.

[mikenbarb]

Firepower, The Remington 870 has one of if not the best track records for reliability and working under the most adverse conditions. I know many hunters that have only one gun, yep the 870. Their made in all different grades and gauges but the ones to consider are the Wingmaster and Express. I prefer the Wingmaster and it is smooth as silk out of the box and looks great too. I own both models and an 870 Special Field that I absolutely love for bird hunting. It has the English stock and shorter barrel and is great for the thick stuff. It sits in my vault more than its used cause I dont want to scratch it. Good luck with whatever you decide on, Mike

[JP Sarte]

All I know is .410 ammunition is generally about 30% more expensive than 12 0r 20 gauge where I live.

JP

[chris in va]

Why not get both 410 and 22? Can't remember the maker, but there's a couple that have a 22 and 410 barrel on the same gun.

Then theres the NEF system...buy the 22 single shot, send it in to NEF for a 410 fitment. As she gets older, you can add rifle/shotgun barrels.

I really enjoy my NEF 410, I think she will too.

[Firepower!]

What would be a nice 410?

I am begining to think I should add 870 to my collection.

Mikenbarb: is wingmaster also good for SD? I want more of a tactical one if possible at all. How do you compare 870 with a391 for hunting? And with SPAS and Mossberg for SD/HD?

[JP Sarte]

If you are thinking of getting a Model 870 in .410 you better think used. I called Remington about six months ago and they said that they haven't made the Model 870 in .410 for many years.

JP