Cross-draw? Sure, why not. - Page 3

backfist · March 24, 2006, 12:16 AM

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Please respond where members can get the "do or die" training you offer? What is your contact information? What do you charge for this training? How long is the course?

Will I need a laser on my gun?

Willing to travel.

Skyguy is a hth/sd specialist. No need to travel he's right in your backyard.

He shows respect and you don't Brownie. So he'll probaly not talk to you.

But just in case you bump into him here's a heads up.

I've seen 'you' in action and I've seen 'him' in action. And the fair truth is that he'd beat you like a rented mule.
The man is a hard core Nidan.

Az Qkr · March 24, 2006, 01:14 AM

Skyguy is a hth/sd specialist. No need to travel he's right in your backyard.

He shows respect and you don't Brownie. So he'll probaly not talk to you.

But just in case you bump into him here's a heads up.

I've seen 'you' in action and I've seen 'him' in action. And the fair truth is that he'd beat you like a rented mule.
The man is a hard core Nidan

Not bad for a first post, probably Skyguy using a alter ego to make people believe he's the real deal.

If you've seen me like you say, pm me with a name or I'll take you as just a first time poster who can't expose his real self and hence will be considered a BSter like Skyguy.

threegun · March 24, 2006, 07:18 AM

Long Path, I didn't think it was a personal attack, still I removed it.

Long Path · March 24, 2006, 07:56 AM

This thread has a lot of good information in it... earlier. The last several posts are utterly off-topic.

Engage in PMs if you can't stay on topic, friends.

And please do not make personal attacks.

DVC9 · April 5, 2006, 10:42 AM

Hey Folks, Been away for a few days...

Sky, Thanks for the kind words. Shield, I am glad that you saw some merit in some of the points we were espousing.

My intention was/is not to try to sway people away from strongside over to CD, but simply to correct some of the disinformation that has been spread concerning crossdraw carry.

If you are shooting in a "practical" match or on a square range or in a coarse with a traditional "vanilla" instructor you will find a definate bias against CD.
However crossdraw does have its place, and is a viable method of carry.

As a side note, I have found this method of carry particularly preferable to women with high waists. Even more so if they tend to be large in the bust.
For this build strong side carry is very difficult unless the holster is made with a significant "drop". "Dropping" the holster sufficiently may make it marginal for concealment and uncomfortable at best for sitting.
A good crossdraw setup can alleviate this aggravating situation, and allow a person so built to carry "On body" rather than tucked in a purse or stuffed in the glovebox.

M

Bullrock · April 5, 2006, 03:04 PM

Skyguy, Thank you for a really good post. I can't find anything to disagree with. In the olden days I used to do cowboy fast draw strong side, of course. But now adays I carry cross draw for all of the reasons you pointed out.

At my age I don't expect to win many fast draw shoot-outs from either side.

TooTall · April 6, 2006, 09:31 AM

Several years ago, my right hand was injured. Since I'm a "righty", I was placed on "light-duty" status (as a LEO). I still wanted to carry, so I taught myself how to be a "lefty"....but with a "twist" involved.

Instead of buying a "lefty" IWB holster for off-duty carry, I used my "righty" holster. At first, it seemed awkward to draw as a "lefty", especially since the butt of the pistol was facing forward. With some serious practise, however, it started to feel normal! It was also AS quick to draw that way, and since I was shooting as a "lefty", there was no sweeping of the pistol across the target.

I got so used to carrying my pistol that way that I continued to do so, even after my right hand had fully healed. I began practising a "lefty" draw, with a transition over to a "righty" shooting hold. With practise, it wasn't awkward, and was AS FAST as a right draw/shoot! Besides, all of the practise as a "lefty" was invaluable, for I was "suddenly" ambidextrous!

FACT: Most people are right-handed. Carrying on the left side MIGHT give you a slight advantage, in that other people will assume that you're right handed. Of course, being ambidextrous DEFINITELY gives you a slight advantage!

It's kind of funny, for if I try to throw a baseball as a lefty, I still look kind of "girlish"! I can't do SQUAT, other than shoot, with my left hand! HMM! My "stats" would read,
"Bats right, throws right, shoots left OR right!"

Skyguy · April 12, 2006, 10:48 AM

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Instead of buying a "lefty" IWB holster for off-duty carry, I used my "righty" holster. At first, it seemed awkward to draw as a "lefty", especially since the butt of the pistol was facing forward.

That's a crossdraw carry....and it's good that it worked for your situation.

It's also a fine example of how crossdraw is the best way to carry for weak hand draw.
Stats show that many shootings involve wounds to the strong side arms and/or hands.

Carrying concealed and then trying to draw weak hand from behind the strong side hip is, indeed, very difficult and slow.
.

Descendant · April 10, 2009, 06:25 PM

Is it too late to chime in?
I recently broke my right collar bone, and being right-handed I am forced to try cross draw. There was no way I can reach back for a strong side draw. So...it feels comfortable and safe. Thanks for the insights. Any thoughts on a good holster for my j frame?
Thanks.

EricReynolds · April 14, 2009, 11:06 PM

I haven't read anyone mentioning the use of a shoulder holster as it pertains to cross draw as opposed to a waist holster. As far as comfort goes, you can't beat it. Your weapon won't dig in to your hip at all. What about tactically? What about as far as concealability?

teeroux · April 14, 2009, 11:22 PM

There is no sweeping or over sweeping the target if when you draw you do some of the steps as a strong hand draw. Draw the gun from the hoster while the support hand comes to the gun in ready position(remember while never sweaping the bore across the support hand or body)then push the gun forward into line with the target same as strongside.

pax · April 14, 2009, 11:55 PM

Descendant ~

Please go ahead and start a fresh thread. This one wasn't one of the best to begin with, and at 3 years old it's a bit stale.

Closed.

pax

March 24, 2006, 07:18 AM	#53
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	Long Path, I didn't think it was a personal attack, still I removed it. Last edited by threegun; March 24, 2006 at 09:29 AM.

March 24, 2006, 07:56 AM	#54
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	This thread has a lot of good information in it... earlier. The last several posts are utterly off-topic. Engage in PMs if you can't stay on topic, friends. And please do not make personal attacks. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

April 10, 2009, 06:25 PM	#59
Descendant Junior Member Join Date: April 7, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 6	Cross draw for the broken boned! Is it too late to chime in? I recently broke my right collar bone, and being right-handed I am forced to try cross draw. There was no way I can reach back for a strong side draw. So...it feels comfortable and safe. Thanks for the insights. Any thoughts on a good holster for my j frame? Thanks. __________________ I was trying to daydream, but my mind kept wandering. -Steven Wright

April 14, 2009, 11:55 PM	#62
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Descendant ~ Please go ahead and start a fresh thread. This one wasn't one of the best to begin with, and at 3 years old it's a bit stale. Closed. pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

March 24, 2006, 01:14 AM	#52
Az Qkr Junior member Join Date: February 22, 2005 Location: Superstition Mountains, Az Posts: 84	Skyguy is a hth/sd specialist. No need to travel he's right in your backyard. He shows respect and you don't Brownie. So he'll probaly not talk to you. But just in case you bump into him here's a heads up. I've seen 'you' in action and I've seen 'him' in action. And the fair truth is that he'd beat you like a rented mule. The man is a hard core Nidan Not bad for a first post, probably Skyguy using a alter ego to make people believe he's the real deal. If you've seen me like you say, pm me with a name or I'll take you as just a first time poster who can't expose his real self and hence will be considered a BSter like Skyguy.

April 5, 2006, 10:42 AM	#55
DVC9 Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2005 Posts: 150	Hey Folks, Been away for a few days... Sky, Thanks for the kind words. Shield, I am glad that you saw some merit in some of the points we were espousing. My intention was/is not to try to sway people away from strongside over to CD, but simply to correct some of the disinformation that has been spread concerning crossdraw carry. If you are shooting in a "practical" match or on a square range or in a coarse with a traditional "vanilla" instructor you will find a definate bias against CD. However crossdraw does have its place, and is a viable method of carry. As a side note, I have found this method of carry particularly preferable to women with high waists. Even more so if they tend to be large in the bust. For this build strong side carry is very difficult unless the holster is made with a significant "drop". "Dropping" the holster sufficiently may make it marginal for concealment and uncomfortable at best for sitting. A good crossdraw setup can alleviate this aggravating situation, and allow a person so built to carry "On body" rather than tucked in a purse or stuffed in the glovebox. M

April 5, 2006, 03:04 PM	#56
Bullrock Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2004 Posts: 2,686	Skyguy, Thank you for a really good post. I can't find anything to disagree with. In the olden days I used to do cowboy fast draw strong side, of course. But now adays I carry cross draw for all of the reasons you pointed out. At my age I don't expect to win many fast draw shoot-outs from either side.

April 6, 2006, 09:31 AM	#57
TooTall Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Posts: 62	Several years ago, my right hand was injured. Since I'm a "righty", I was placed on "light-duty" status (as a LEO). I still wanted to carry, so I taught myself how to be a "lefty"....but with a "twist" involved. Instead of buying a "lefty" IWB holster for off-duty carry, I used my "righty" holster. At first, it seemed awkward to draw as a "lefty", especially since the butt of the pistol was facing forward. With some serious practise, however, it started to feel normal! It was also AS quick to draw that way, and since I was shooting as a "lefty", there was no sweeping of the pistol across the target. I got so used to carrying my pistol that way that I continued to do so, even after my right hand had fully healed. I began practising a "lefty" draw, with a transition over to a "righty" shooting hold. With practise, it wasn't awkward, and was AS FAST as a right draw/shoot! Besides, all of the practise as a "lefty" was invaluable, for I was "suddenly" ambidextrous! FACT: Most people are right-handed. Carrying on the left side MIGHT give you a slight advantage, in that other people will assume that you're right handed. Of course, being ambidextrous DEFINITELY gives you a slight advantage! It's kind of funny, for if I try to throw a baseball as a lefty, I still look kind of "girlish"! I can't do SQUAT, other than shoot, with my left hand! HMM! My "stats" would read, "Bats right, throws right, shoots left OR right!"

April 14, 2009, 11:06 PM	#60
EricReynolds Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 393	I haven't read anyone mentioning the use of a shoulder holster as it pertains to cross draw as opposed to a waist holster. As far as comfort goes, you can't beat it. Your weapon won't dig in to your hip at all. What about tactically? What about as far as concealability?

April 14, 2009, 11:22 PM	#61
teeroux Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2006 Posts: 1,512	There is no sweeping or over sweeping the target if when you draw you do some of the steps as a strong hand draw. Draw the gun from the hoster while the support hand comes to the gun in ready position(remember while never sweaping the bore across the support hand or body)then push the gun forward into line with the target same as strongside.