Reports of "Militia Takeover" in Oregon - Page 14

kilimanjaro · February 11, 2016, 04:46 PM

Well, now he's not going to be able to legally buy guns in any state, or pot, for that matter.

I wonder if any of these guys considered the serious felonies they were talking themselves into committing weren't going to have serious ramifications for the rest of their lives? Seems to me the game wasn't worth the candle, here.

I didn't see anything they were considering as an unalienable right being destroyed by a tyrannical government that was anything more than a petty grievance or a chimera without foundation.

Armed_Chicagoan · February 11, 2016, 07:49 PM

"A family member in Bunkerville, Nevada, Bundy daughter-in-law Briana Bundy, said Thursday she didn't think Cliven Bundy was committing a crime in trying to visit his sons."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/f...tland-36854292

This entire family has been beaten something awful with a stupid stick... no Briana, he wasn't arrested for trying to visit his sons.

And, of course, he's requesting a public defender. Mooching off the government he claims to hate to the bitter end.

kilimanjaro · February 11, 2016, 08:10 PM

Using a public defender is not mooching, it's a right.

I don't like these guys at all, but they're still citizens and still have rights.

gyvel · February 11, 2016, 08:25 PM

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Finally! Sick of these morons and the whole ridiculous episode. Pathetic losers, every one of them. I'm sure they will enjoy their time in another federal facility. On a lighter note, apparently according to the four wimpy thugs, they're not "surrendering", they're "turning themselves in". Frigging losers.

You tell 'em, Duster!

Colorado Redneck · February 11, 2016, 08:31 PM

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http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...-attorney.html

Bundy has assets. He is looking for a freebie. Has his hand out looking for the government to give him free stuff and flipping the government off with the other hand.

WyMark · February 11, 2016, 10:28 PM

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Bundy has assets. He is looking for a freebie. Has his hand out looking for the government to give him free stuff and flipping the government off with the other hand.

Agree with this 100%. He has assets he can sell, like cattle, and likely has cash from the cattle he sold this past fall. He bought a plane ticket to Portland and was probably renting a car as well. Clive Bundy is a tool.

thallub · February 17, 2016, 01:47 PM

A federal judge has ordered Cliven Bundy held without bail.

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Judge Janice Stewart's ruling echoed the warnings of federal prosecutors who said Cliven Bundy might skip bail, hole up with armed supporters and hope for a violent end in his conflict with the federal government.

Bundy, whose sons were among those recently arrested in connection with an armed occupation of an Oregon wildlife reserve, is being held on six charges stemming from a monthlong standoff with federal agents at his Nevada ranch in 2014.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1.../p2p-85927062/

Colorado Redneck · February 17, 2016, 08:56 PM

The Feds handled Cliven Bundy the smart way. When his "militia" showed up at the ranch to interfere with the BLM trying to collect money they were owed, instead of going down the wrong path with force, the Feds backed off. Some of Bundy's supporters declared "victory" but they were unaware that the end of the incident had not yet happened. Bundy will get to go to court. He damn well should.

Not all of us believe that Gubmint=BAD and Gubmint hater with gun = good. The rule of law is what separates us from all the other species on this planet.

thallub · February 18, 2016, 08:01 AM

The federal grand jury in Nevada has returned indictments against Bundy and some of his followers. More participants will be indicted.

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Ammon Bundy, of Idaho, Ryan Bundy, of Nevada, Ryan Payne, of Montana, and Peter Santilli of Ohio, were also indicted by the Nevada grand jury Wednesday.

The charges against them and Cliven Bundy include: conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer, weapon use and possession, assault on a federal officer, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction, extortion to interfere with commerce, and interstate travel in aid of extortion

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Five counts of criminal forfeiture are also included in the indictment which would require the forfeiture of property derived from the proceeds of the crimes totaling at least $3 million, as well as the firearms and ammunition possessed and used on April 12, 2014

http://news.yahoo.com/cliven-bundy-4...033145422.html

Double Naught Spy · February 18, 2016, 08:18 AM

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Using a public defender is not mooching, it's a right.

No, it isn't a right if you have resources. Bundy has plenty of resources. Hell, he had enough resources to vacation in Oregon.

gyvel · February 18, 2016, 08:21 AM

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The rule of law is what separates us from all the other species on this planet.

Make that the rule of lawyers...

And, in general, "the rule of law" is only for the good of those making the laws, which isn't a whole lot different than the principle of the law of the jungle, where the strongest rules.

Virtually every amendment to our Constitution, and especially the 2nd, has been twisted, manipulated and otherwise perverted to achieve ends that are the complete opposite of the true meaning of each of them by lawyers.

And, God forbid, if that absolute shrew of a lawyer gets elected as our next "president," you ain't seen nothin' yet.

I really don't agree with the way these yahoos went about trying to make their point, but I can sure as heck understand their frustrations.

zincwarrior · February 18, 2016, 08:28 AM

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Virtually every amendment to our Constitution, and especially the 2nd, has been twisted, manipulated and otherwise perverted to achieve ends that are the complete opposite of the true meaning of each of them by lawyers.

Thats your opinion.
Without the rule of law (or lawyers if you prefer) the way we would settle the argument is my wife would intentionally run you over with her van on her way to church. Note this is completely different than currently where she merely accidentally runs over things on her way to church. But, as she has noted, curbs are merely guidelines.

zukiphile · January 8, 2018, 06:00 PM

Charges Against Bundys in Ranch Standoff Case Are Dismissed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/u...dismissed.html

cjwils · January 8, 2018, 09:32 PM

Dismissed because the prosecutors were incompetent jerks. That does not mean the Bundys are innocent. They are also jerks and not worthy of our support, in my opinion.

**Frank Ettin** · January 8, 2018, 09:35 PM

Now that we've reached the conclusion of this chapter there's no reason to continue this.

February 17, 2016, 08:56 PM	#333
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	Handled this deal with Bundy the smart way The Feds handled Cliven Bundy the smart way. When his "militia" showed up at the ranch to interfere with the BLM trying to collect money they were owed, instead of going down the wrong path with force, the Feds backed off. Some of Bundy's supporters declared "victory" but they were unaware that the end of the incident had not yet happened. Bundy will get to go to court. He damn well should. Not all of us believe that Gubmint=BAD and Gubmint hater with gun = good. The rule of law is what separates us from all the other species on this planet.

January 8, 2018, 06:00 PM	#338
zukiphile Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2005 Posts: 4,457	Charges Against Bundys in Ranch Standoff Case Are Dismissed. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/u...dismissed.html __________________ http://www.npboards.com/index.php

January 8, 2018, 09:35 PM	#340
Frank Ettin Staff Join Date: November 23, 2005 Location: California - San Francisco Posts: 9,471	Now that we've reached the conclusion of this chapter there's no reason to continue this. __________________ "It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper

February 11, 2016, 04:46 PM	#326
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Well, now he's not going to be able to legally buy guns in any state, or pot, for that matter. I wonder if any of these guys considered the serious felonies they were talking themselves into committing weren't going to have serious ramifications for the rest of their lives? Seems to me the game wasn't worth the candle, here. I didn't see anything they were considering as an unalienable right being destroyed by a tyrannical government that was anything more than a petty grievance or a chimera without foundation.

February 11, 2016, 07:49 PM	#327
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	"A family member in Bunkerville, Nevada, Bundy daughter-in-law Briana Bundy, said Thursday she didn't think Cliven Bundy was committing a crime in trying to visit his sons." http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/f...tland-36854292 This entire family has been beaten something awful with a stupid stick... no Briana, he wasn't arrested for trying to visit his sons. And, of course, he's requesting a public defender. Mooching off the government he claims to hate to the bitter end.

February 11, 2016, 08:10 PM	#328
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Using a public defender is not mooching, it's a right. I don't like these guys at all, but they're still citizens and still have rights.

January 8, 2018, 09:32 PM	#339
cjwils Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Location: Washington state Posts: 401	Dismissed because the prosecutors were incompetent jerks. That does not mean the Bundys are innocent. They are also jerks and not worthy of our support, in my opinion.