New Zealanders Ignoring Law

KyJim · July 10, 2019, 02:32 PM

With recent pushes to regulate guns more tightly in some southern states, I thought an article over at Reason might be of interest. Since NZ has prohibited semi-auto firearms, only 700 have been turned into authorities. The article says there are 1.5 million firearms in the country, but an unknown number of now-prohibited guns. It also goes quotes an estimate that Australians have turned in only 20% of semi-auto rifles since they were banned in 1996.

While I certainly cannot countenance non-compliance with any laws, I can infer that large numbers of Americans do not comply with some of the recent bans (on guns or magazines) and even more would refuse to comply with future "regulations" of this type. In the end, I fear that such strict "regulation" will simply make honest people criminals-by-designation and perhaps lead to the very thing the gun-grabbers say they want to avoid..

Lohman446 · July 10, 2019, 03:33 PM

More than one philosopher has opined that one has no moral duty to obey an unjust law and some have gone so far as to note that doing so may be a moral danger in itself.

P5 Guy · July 10, 2019, 03:34 PM

Collective guilt and punishment of law abiding? When the real issue was one person with issues caused the mayhem.
https://www.heraldtribune.com/zz/new...these-patterns

Bartholomew Roberts · July 10, 2019, 05:20 PM

Classic gun control situation - the NZ government, which already has immense power to regulate guns, gives a gun license to an immigrant foreign extremist. Then when he uses the guns to murder NZ citizens, they use that as an excuse to disarm their citizens.

It’s practically the gun control manifesto:
1. Pass gun law that is ineffective at addressing problem; but burdens the legal ownership of people NOT causing the problem.
2. Wait for next problem and wash, rinse, repeat.

JERRYS. · July 10, 2019, 06:46 PM

not turning in your guns when the government tells you to is the same thing as smoking dope. both are illegal and when you get caught you pay the price. they win through attrition. difference is dope is replenishable, guns aren't.

Bartholomew Roberts · July 10, 2019, 08:08 PM

And yet guns keep replenishing in places where they’ve been virtually outlawed since 1607: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...homemade-guns/

July 10, 2019, 02:32 PM	#1
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,142	New Zealanders Ignoring Law With recent pushes to regulate guns more tightly in some southern states, I thought an article over at Reason might be of interest. Since NZ has prohibited semi-auto firearms, only 700 have been turned into authorities. The article says there are 1.5 million firearms in the country, but an unknown number of now-prohibited guns. It also goes quotes an estimate that Australians have turned in only 20% of semi-auto rifles since they were banned in 1996. While I certainly cannot countenance non-compliance with any laws, I can infer that large numbers of Americans do not comply with some of the recent bans (on guns or magazines) and even more would refuse to comply with future "regulations" of this type. In the end, I fear that such strict "regulation" will simply make honest people criminals-by-designation and perhaps lead to the very thing the gun-grabbers say they want to avoid..

July 10, 2019, 03:33 PM	#2
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	More than one philosopher has opined that one has no moral duty to obey an unjust law and some have gone so far as to note that doing so may be a moral danger in itself.

July 10, 2019, 03:34 PM	#3
P5 Guy Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 1,804	Collective guilt and punishment of law abiding? When the real issue was one person with issues caused the mayhem. https://www.heraldtribune.com/zz/new...these-patterns

July 10, 2019, 05:20 PM	#4
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Classic gun control situation - the NZ government, which already has immense power to regulate guns, gives a gun license to an immigrant foreign extremist. Then when he uses the guns to murder NZ citizens, they use that as an excuse to disarm their citizens. It’s practically the gun control manifesto: 1. Pass gun law that is ineffective at addressing problem; but burdens the legal ownership of people NOT causing the problem. 2. Wait for next problem and wash, rinse, repeat.

July 10, 2019, 06:46 PM	#5
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	not turning in your guns when the government tells you to is the same thing as smoking dope. both are illegal and when you get caught you pay the price. they win through attrition. difference is dope is replenishable, guns aren't.

July 10, 2019, 08:08 PM	#6
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	And yet guns keep replenishing in places where they’ve been virtually outlawed since 1607: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...homemade-guns/