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June 1, 2017, 10:07 AM | #51 |
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No, you don't need to have a photo ID from your state of residence, and Tom's not saying that either. What he's saying is that you need a valid government-issued photo ID and some government-issue proof of address showing your current residence. For most people, that's just a drivers license; their license has both their photo on it and their name and current address.
But suppose someone has a valid drivers license from, say, OR but they're currently living in WA: Then they'd use their OR drivers license as their photo ID, but they'd need some secondary government-issued document that shows their name and current address that shows their residence in WA. This secondary proof of residence doesn't need to be a photo ID since they already have a photo ID, this proof of residence can be a hunting license, a utility bill (if the utility company is a government entity), vehicle registration, etc.
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In fact, I've explained MULTIPLE times how a buyer living in GA, with a California drivers license can acquire any type of firearm while he is living in Georgia. Quote:
The ATF Ruling 2010-6 clearly says the buyer can use ANY government issued photo ID. But if that does not show the CURRENT RESIDENCE ADDRESS then the buyer needs to provide another government document that shows the buyers name and current residence address. Quote:
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June 1, 2017, 02:30 PM | #53 |
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Well, I have gotten frustrated enough to place a call and write an email to the BATFE for clarification on this matter. I will share the answers I get.
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June 1, 2017, 02:42 PM | #54 |
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Good grief. There is no need for any clarification on this matter. The ATF is very clear on this. But knock yourself out, they're going to tell you the same thing that they've already issued in rulings, the same thing that each ATF Industry Ops agent has told FFLs like Tom and me during our ATF inspections, and the same thing that Tom and I have been telling you over and over again throughout this thread.
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June 1, 2017, 02:53 PM | #56 |
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Theo,
You may be right but when I have a question on details I go to where I can get known valid, first party answers. I don't have to be concerned with misinterpretations or legal meanderings. |
June 1, 2017, 02:58 PM | #57 |
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In that case, you'd be better off contacting a lawyer who specializes in federal firearms law. If you're contacting the ATF via phone or email, you're not guaranteed to get a subject matter expert. Besides, they're probably going to just refer you to Ruling 2010-6 like Tom pointed out.
Also, if you're going to get into legal details, they probably won't answer your question even if they are a subject matter expert. I once asked an ATF Industry Ops agent during an inspection what "close proximity" meant (in reference to ATF Ruling 2011-4). He told me to ask a lawyer.
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June 1, 2017, 04:19 PM | #58 |
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So, dogtown
One other scenario if you please I moved to GA for college from another state (40+ years ago); and was issued a college ID . It is a state college. Even though, to them, I was out of state student and had to pay tuition as such, my college ID would have allowed me to buy a gun, correct? Even if my DL was from another state?
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Ruling 80-21 https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ru...dents/download Quote:
It likely would have been legal prior to that as Federal law did not magically change. I would guess that enough questions were posed on that subject to ATF that they issued a ruling to clear it up.
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Tom, you are accusing others of lacking reading comprehension but, every time I think I'm getting closer to understanding, you post something meant to be helpful that only mussies the waters.
What YOU cited (parsed for clarity, but quoted exactly from your post): Quote:
1) The licensee (FFL) must examine an "identification document" of the transferee. 2) "Identification document" is defined as a government-issued document showing the tranferee's name and residence address. Yet you say a transferee can use a photo ID from another state, or a passport that has NO address, plus something else. Please explain how that squares with the information YOU cited? |
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Here it is again: The ATF Ruling 2010-6 clearly says the buyer can use ANY government issued photo ID. But if that does not show the CURRENT RESIDENCE ADDRESS then the buyer needs to provide another government document that shows the buyers name and current residence address. If you live in Texas October-March, live in Alaska March-October for example. You would have only ONE drivers license (lets say Texas). In order to acquire a firearm in Alaska you simply use your TX DL (as the government issued photo ID) and provide the Alaska dealer with another government issued document that shows your name and current address IN ALASKA. It's that simple. If you had read Ruling 2010-6 you would have read the following: Quote:
It's Identification of Transferee. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ru...feree/download Quote:
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June 1, 2017, 06:01 PM | #62 |
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Aguila Blanca, Tom is right, even if he's not being terribly tactful about it. Nothing he's posted or cited has said that the photo ID is required to have the current residence address. That ATF quote you posted in your last post doesn't give the full context. The ATF also states that if your photo ID doesn't have your current address on it, you can suppliment the photo ID with a government-issued document showing your name and your current address, and that doesn't need to have your picture on it.
For example, I've sold guns to WA state residents using out-of-state drivers licenses combined with military orders, or Concealed Pistol Licenses, or hunting licenses, or car registrations, etc.
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