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July 9, 2017, 09:49 AM | #26 |
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Like someone else said, the Ordnung (order, authority) determines those rules. Either your guy lives is an ultra-conservative community, in which case, he shouldn't be handling a modern firearm or he's trying to pull a fast one. I know of no Blue State that allows for Niqabs (full face coverings...Hijabs covering hair ok). You can't get a passport w/o a photo and these days you need one (or a card) to go to Mexico or Canada.
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July 9, 2017, 10:25 AM | #27 |
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I am in TX, but I wouldn't hesitate to help this young man. First, I would confirm that he is not prohibited from owning a firearm (by law or the wishes of his family). Second, I would lay out my ARs and figure out which was going to meet his needs. Third, l'd agree on a price, shake his hand and he'd have his AR. Fourth, I would shop me up a brand new AR.
Ok, in truth, steps 2 and 4 would intermingle 'cause my offer price would cover the expected cost of my replacement rifle if it needed replaced - for my trouble. |
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We have a Saturday morning T.V. show called, "Calling Dr. Pol". He has a veterinarian clinic in Central Michigan. Whenever he makes a call to the farm of his Amish clients, their faces are always pixilated whereas his non-Amish clients are not. |
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There is a right to vote and a right to keep and bear arms. Neither is exempt from limitation. Convicted murderers do not retain the right to keep and bear arms and I doubt if they have the right to vote. Lawful limitations on voting rights IS something free nations do. Unlawful limitations on voting rights, e.g., racial discrimination, have been overturned, i.e., eliminated in the specific case, by courts.
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"I'm not convinced of the religious aspects, it seems more cultural."
It's actually interpretational and how his particular order/group views the bible. Stricter groups do not permit personal photography because they believe it violates the commandment against creating graven images or idols. For some it can also tie into whether they believe they are posing for a photograph. A posed photograph (such as a driver's license or ID) falls back to the graven images or idols. Most Amish, even stricter sects, don't have a problem with the pictures being taken if it's not a posed photograph. My first job was with a newspaper in an Amish area in Pennsylvania (not Lancaster County) and only once did I have an Amish man ask me not to take his photo. I asked him if it was a religious thing, and he said no, I just don't like having my picture taken.
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July 14, 2017, 07:07 PM | #33 |
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"Some states, like Pennsylvania and Ohio, do issue nonphoto identification. Individuals must provide a form stating their religious objections, along with the bishop’s signature (see The Amish and the State for more)."
When it comes to driver's licenses / state I.D.s, some states allow non-photo identification cards. Oregon became the first state to offer a "X" as a third gender option to Male and Female on it's driver's licenses. Illinois offers Sharia compliant Driver's Licenses allowing Muslim women to cover their faces. I had to take off my glasses for the facial recognition camera at the local DMV. There is something wrong with the system. |
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Could you explain this a little, please?? Did you have to take off your glasses for the software to recognize your face? Or were you providing your face for the software without glasses, because?? What I'm getting is that the facial recognition wouldn't work if you were wearing glasses. That can't be right, can it??
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Does requiring identification in any way restrict that? I don't think so. Requiring identification only guarantees that ONLY those people who satisfy the constitutional criteria are allowed to vote. But those are the only people who have a right to vote, so ... where's the problem? Last edited by Aguila Blanca; July 16, 2017 at 11:31 AM. Reason: typo |
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What he ^^^^ he said,
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July 16, 2017, 10:36 AM | #38 |
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Doesn't your state submit to the Federal age of 18 for voters?
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I suspect the quote above about electors is about joining the electoral college, not about voting.
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I argued with the DMV clerk after she instructed me to remove my glasses before the photo was taken.
My argument was that I have always worn glasses in all previous I.D. photo shoots and demanded to know why it was required that I remove my glasses. She was telling me that I had no choice if I wanted the I.D.card. I inflamed the situation further by demanding to know if this B.S. DMV facial recognition policy came from Obama. That really set her off...ha, ha, ha. |
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To use a gun analogy, imagine that you know nothing at all about guns and I show you an AR decked out with optics, foregrip, suppressor, and basically every accessory possible. Then later I show you a basic AR with nothing attached and ask you what it is. Your response will probably be "it sort of looks like an AR, but it's missing a lot of things so I'm not sure." OTOH if I show you the basic AR first then ask you about the one with accessories, your answer is probably going to much more confident, like "there's extra things attached, but I recognize the AR underneath." |
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Thanks, that does make sense. So, despite decades of computer advancement, the principle of GIGO still rules. Probably always will.
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So, I was in southern Illinois earlier this week and I stopped in an Amish restaurant. We got to talking, and I asked about photo ID. Two of the gentlemen had driver's licenses since they occasionally had to use a communal truck to move stuff on the highway. In their particular interpretation, it's OK to get the picture taken since it's a means to a particular and necessary end.
That said, it all comes down to how your friend's particular group interprets things.
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The young (21) Amish guy who hunts my land has a $600 game call (he is heavily into varmint calling). He came to my house and had me download from the internet, the program that programs his game call with the free library of calls from the manufacturer. I am convinced that he nor anyone else consulted the elders about that device...I am sure that he just did not tell them and as long as they do not forbid its use (or amend the Ordnung), he will continue to use it. In short, what they do not know about, they cannot prohibit. |
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As an example, my closest neighbor has a .17 caliber rimfire that he uses on varmints. He also has a .357 Ruger Blackhawk. Therefore, I do not think the local Ordnung would list an AR15 as a prohibited item even if the elders knew what it was...it is just another varmint control rifle for them. |
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July 22, 2017, 11:42 AM | #49 |
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Makes sense when you explain it like that.
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When I renewed my driver's license last fall the clerk asked if I wanted to keep the same picture-I told her no as I no longer had that pair of glasses. In NJ they ask you "With or without glasses?"
We have no "System", not with 50 states plus territories and the Federal Government. A friend of mine -a black girl-is two different people, depending on when she's made up or not. I have been told in some of those groups the prohibition against posed pictures has more to with notions of modesty and strictures against vanity. A Muslim girl told me they had lectures which told them that many gestures in our society had to do with our concepts of gentlemanly and ladylike conduct and should not be seen as "putting the make on." |
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