Budget .44 mag - Page 2

Lost Sheep · September 9, 2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mavracer

The "New Vaquero" are built on a medium frame, have fixed sights, seem ideally suited for the CASS (Cowboy Action Shooting Sports) and are not suitable for the heavy loads, in Colt 45 or in 44 Magnum, or probably even 44 Special.
There is no new vaquero 44 mag.

Oops! My mistake (post #14). New Vaquero doesn't come in 44 Magnum.

I'm kind of disappointed it doesn't come in 44 Special or 44 Russian. But them's the breaks.

Lost Sheep

rclark · September 9, 2012, 09:36 AM

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{New Vaquero} I'm kind of disappointed it doesn't come in 44 Special

I have one. I got one from Lipseys.

Lipseys .44Spec New Vaquero

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{New Vaquero} are not suitable for the heavy loads

Only thing you can't shoot in them is .45 Colt Ruger Only Loads. Not a big deal. In .45 Colt they are perfectly capabily of handling tier 2 loads (20,000psi) as defined by Brian Pearce. In .44Spec they will easy handle the Keith load 17g of 2400 under 240g SWC for around 1200fps.... And of course is .357 ... it will handle the hottest loads you want to put in it.... Not weak by no means in any caliber!

feets · September 9, 2012, 11:58 AM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/B...uger+44&Sort=4

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305186389

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305142504

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305032150

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304402294

I like this one!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304896852

Dal052181 · September 9, 2012, 04:39 PM

Thanks everyone for your input and great advise. Do they make any bear loads for the 45lc or is that going to be suicide in black bear country? Stick with a 44m?

Dal052181 · September 9, 2012, 05:30 PM

Thanks everyone for your input and great advise. Do they make any bear loads for the 45lc or is that going to be suicide in black bear country? Stick with a 44m?

QuarterHorse · September 9, 2012, 08:49 PM

FWIW:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...Rosewood+Grips

Check out Buffalo Bores sight on velocities and bullet weight. Not a whole lot of difference in 44 Mag and a stout 45 Colt but the 44 Mag does move the same heavy bullet a little faster.

https://www.buffalobore.com/

2500ak · September 9, 2012, 09:14 PM

Bear Load 45 Colt is fine for grizzly imo. You'll be in good shape for blackbear. I know plenty of people who take hot loaded .357 or .45 ACP for just blackbear, and the hot .45 Colt rounds pack quite a lot more punch.

If you aren't comfortable with .45 Colt for bear, but are comfortable with quite a lot of recoil get a .454 Casull. It's to .45 Colt what .44 Magnum is to .44 Special. You can shoot .45 Colt out of it when you're at the range, and load up with some wrist crackers for when you're out in the back country.

mavracer · September 9, 2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rclark

Quote:
{New Vaquero} I'm kind of disappointed it doesn't come in 44 Special

I have one. I got one from Lipseys

Amusingly enough Ruger is again confusing with the use or not using the word "new"
the 44 special mid frame sized Vaquero's are not marked new, They are just marked Vaquero.

rclark · September 9, 2012, 11:30 PM

Yep, go figure .... So now we just have to think of it as "all .44Spec revolvers from Ruger are on the medium frame" whether BHs or {new} Vaqueros. At least until Ruger changes the 'rules' again

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FloridaVeteran · September 10, 2012, 12:34 AM

RClark - on Ruger's Website, all "Vaqueros" are shown in .357 and .45LC only. So maybe the "44NV" you are looking at in the ad is a .45LC - either that, or Ruger's description is incorrect.

Here is their spec sheet:

http://www.ruger.com/products/vaquer...eets/5102.html

Sport45 · September 10, 2012, 02:28 AM

Stick with the .44mag. All of them will handle .44mag loads just fine and you can find potent ammo just about anywhere.

The "Ruger Only" stuff really only applies to guns chambered in .45 Colt and there are lots of guns out there (even some Rugers) that can't take that kind of pressure.

Walkalong · September 10, 2012, 01:42 PM

Keep an eye out for a good used Astra. They are very nice revolvers, and can be found much cheaper than some. A real sleeper IMHO. I have a blue one in .357 and SS one in .44 Mag. If I run into one in .45 Colt, I'll get it too.

September 9, 2012, 08:49 PM	#31
QuarterHorse Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2010 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 421	FWIW: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...Rosewood+Grips Check out Buffalo Bores sight on velocities and bullet weight. Not a whole lot of difference in 44 Mag and a stout 45 Colt but the 44 Mag does move the same heavy bullet a little faster. https://www.buffalobore.com/ __________________ Never enough toys

September 9, 2012, 11:30 PM	#34
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,619	Yep, go figure .... So now we just have to think of it as "all .44Spec revolvers from Ruger are on the medium frame" whether BHs or {new} Vaqueros. At least until Ruger changes the 'rules' again . __________________ A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, and life NRA member. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes colloquially referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. That said, the .44Spec is right up their too... but the .45 Colt is still the king.

September 10, 2012, 02:28 AM	#36
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	Stick with the .44mag. All of them will handle .44mag loads just fine and you can find potent ammo just about anywhere. The "Ruger Only" stuff really only applies to guns chambered in .45 Colt and there are lots of guns out there (even some Rugers) that can't take that kind of pressure. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

September 9, 2012, 11:58 AM	#28
feets Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2008 Posts: 560	http://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/B...uger+44&Sort=4 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305186389 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305142504 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305032150 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304402294 I like this one! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304896852

September 9, 2012, 04:39 PM	#29
Dal052181 Junior Member Join Date: September 7, 2012 Posts: 5	Thanks everyone for your input and great advise. Do they make any bear loads for the 45lc or is that going to be suicide in black bear country? Stick with a 44m?

September 9, 2012, 05:30 PM	#30
Dal052181 Junior Member Join Date: September 7, 2012 Posts: 5	Thanks everyone for your input and great advise. Do they make any bear loads for the 45lc or is that going to be suicide in black bear country? Stick with a 44m?

September 9, 2012, 09:14 PM	#32
2500ak Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2010 Posts: 132	Bear Load 45 Colt is fine for grizzly imo. You'll be in good shape for blackbear. I know plenty of people who take hot loaded .357 or .45 ACP for just blackbear, and the hot .45 Colt rounds pack quite a lot more punch. If you aren't comfortable with .45 Colt for bear, but are comfortable with quite a lot of recoil get a .454 Casull. It's to .45 Colt what .44 Magnum is to .44 Special. You can shoot .45 Colt out of it when you're at the range, and load up with some wrist crackers for when you're out in the back country.

September 10, 2012, 12:34 AM	#35
FloridaVeteran Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 399	RClark - on Ruger's Website, all "Vaqueros" are shown in .357 and .45LC only. So maybe the "44NV" you are looking at in the ad is a .45LC - either that, or Ruger's description is incorrect. Here is their spec sheet: http://www.ruger.com/products/vaquer...eets/5102.html