Why choose a .25-06 Rem over a .270 Win? - Page 2

HiBC · January 7, 2012, 04:43 AM

What they both enjoy is making it easy for the shooter to place a shot.Flat trajectory at reasonable ranges,and modest recoil.
They are both capable of slapping through ribs and souping hearts and lungs.
Mostly due to common twists and the commonly used bullets,we are comparing a 115 to 120 gr bullet to a 130 gr bullet most of the time(Yes,I know there are 140 and 150 gr bullets for a .270.)
So,either way,we are talking about the lead in 1/2 a 22 short,or less.

Both rely on shot placement and velocity to get the job done.

Neither is typically twisted for the heavy for caliber sleek long range bullets,but are great for reasonable hunting ranges.

Seems like a fellow can just relax and enjoy his preference.

Now,if you asked about the difference between a .270 and a .280,there would be more to talk about,but you didn't.

giaquir · January 7, 2012, 05:01 AM

No one needs to send a bullet down range
over 3000 fps to do what needs to be
done!

PawPaw · January 7, 2012, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiBC

Now,if you asked about the difference between a .270 and a .280,there would be more to talk about,but you didn't.

Ain't that the truth? I've never seen two cartridges as different as the .270 and the .280. You can tell them apart from across the room, and the difference in performance is incredible.

sc928porsche · January 7, 2012, 07:02 AM

yeah, the 280 is an 7mm-06 and the 270 is a 277-03. World of difference?????

I have found that the 25-06 is a great cartridge for antelope and coyote. Very flat trajectory and not much recoil. It can also be used for varmit or deer. Bullets are a bit light for elk except at close range.

270 is a great deer cartridge but a bit heavy for varmit and coyote. Recoil is heavier. It also works well on elk at medium range.

My 4 hunting rifles are: 22-250 for varmits. 25-06 for antelope and coyote. 300WM for deer, elk and moose. and 378 for bear. I have a large variety of rifles in different chamberings, but those 4 are what I use to hunt with.

shurshot · January 7, 2012, 07:07 AM

HiBc had it right, pertaining to shot placement. I doubt there is a critter alive in North America, two or four legged, that if hit in the heart / lung / spine or brain, would be able to tell the difference between ANY of the aforementioned calibers. "SHOT PLACEMENT" is the key. Ask any old time hunter or trapper.

That being said, IMHO, in 1925 Winchester Arms developed the perfect hunting round, for varmints, medium and big game.... the .270 WIN.

taylorce1 · January 7, 2012, 09:46 AM

Quote:

No one needs to send a bullet down range
over 3000 fps to do what needs to be
done!

Yes but if you didn't want more speed then everyone would just shoot a .30-06

hoffbill · January 7, 2012, 10:37 AM

I do not have a 25-06, I do have a .243Win and a .270Win. I just looked at some reloading data, I appears the 25-06 falls into a slot between the .243 and .270. It's a narrow slot with quite a bit of overlap. However the .243 outshines as a varmint gun because of its ability to shoot 55-58gr bullets with 22-250 like velocity, and the .270 outshines because of its ability to handle larger bullets, 150gr and beyond. However I still want a 25-06 because it sounds cool and I don't have one.

Let's face it, none of us will get anywhere in life if we are going to let fear and common sense hold us back!

JASmith · January 7, 2012, 11:42 AM

The Hodgdon online manual has loads for 24" barrel in the 80 gr Barnes TTSX bullet that suggest that 3600 ft/sec is a reasonable velocity to think about in terms of trajectory. The Barnes catalog lists this bullet as having a BC of 0.316 G1.

JBM Ballistics calculations tell us that this load can be sighted in so that the bullet never goes above or below the line of sight by more than five inches all the way out to 400 yards! The drift at 400 yards in a 10 mph is 14 inches, meaning that there is some margin for error in estimating range and wind drift.

The interesting thing is that, if you can afford to shoot the Barnes bullet, it ought to do well on everything from pdogs and jackrabbits through deer & antelope.

Would I choose the 25-06 over the 270? Definitely if I had a 30-06 or heavier for large game or am interested in Elk and below. If I were to think about only one rifle for everything but dangerous game, it would be either the .270 or the .260 Remington.

emcon5 · January 7, 2012, 12:14 PM

Do what I did, split the difference and build a 6.5-06 and get the best of both worlds.

It shoots the light bullets nearly as fast as the .25-06, but the "light" .264 bullets are better ballisticly than the "light" .257, so the difference downrange is minimal.

It shoots heavier bullets (140gr and above) as fast or faster than the .270, the only real advantage of the .270 is the choice in heaviest bullets (160gr) is better with the .270. 160gr 6.5 bullets are limited to round nose.

There are also a wide variety of match bullets available, if you want to compete.

The down side is that it is handload only, but as wildcats go, it isn't all that "wild", simply neck-size 25.06 cases and you are ready to load.

Brian Pfleuger · January 7, 2012, 12:23 PM

Quote:

The Hodgdon online manual has loads for 24" barrel in the 80 gr Barnes TTSX bullet that suggest that 3600 ft/sec is a reasonable velocity to think about in terms of trajectory. The Barnes catalog lists this bullet as having a BC of 0.316 G1.

JBM Ballistics calculations tell us that this load can be sighted in so that the bullet never goes above or below the line of sight by more than five inches all the way out to 400 yards! The drift at 400 yards in a 10 mph is 14 inches, meaning that there is some margin for error in estimating range and wind drift.

True, but a 270 with the 85gr TTSX will follow an almost identical trajectory out to 400, albeit slightly flatter (better by 1/2" at 200 and 1/4 at 400) and with slightly less (better by 1.5" at 400) wind drift.

It's mostly a question of personal preference for "light for caliber" or "heavy for caliber" and/or whether you want to more appropriately cover the "deer and bigger" or "deer and smaller end of things." Although, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot an elk with the appropriate bullet in 25-06 either.

Pathfinder45 · January 7, 2012, 07:11 PM

Since ALL centerfires are better handloaded than with factory ammo, ..... I'll say that if you reload, the 270 has somewhat more versatility and performance. However, if limited to factory ammo, the 270 wins again and by a huge margin. If limited to one rifle, it would be wiser to choose the 270. But then what does wisdom have to with a gun-nut?

Slamfire · January 7, 2012, 08:12 PM

The velocity may not be there. Ever chronographed your loads? I was disappointed to find that my FN Deluxe with its 24” barrel does not push a 130 as fast as my 30-06. The velocity I got with 150’s was not particularly spectacular. Even though I am at max charges according to some loading data.

I only got 3000 fps with 130’s with Federals. Winchester factory was not particularly spectacular when it came to velocity.

I have used 200 grain bullets out to 1000 yards in the 30-06, (rifle match), and shot well. I pulled targets for a guy shooting a 280 Remington at 1000 yards and he shot extremely well, so I know the 280 has the ballistics, but these 270’s/25 caliber rounds, I just don’t consider them long range rounds no matter what the claimed velocities.

SAKO 24" Barrel

130gr Hornady Spire Pt 53.7 gr IMR4064 (Lee Scoop 4.0) thrown Fed cases Fed210M

Ave Vel = 3185
Std Dev = 33
ES = 68
Low = 3156
High = 3224
N = 5

FN Deluxe 24" Barrel

130 gr Nosler BT 55.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.3"

29 Dec 2011 T = 50 °F

Ave Vel = 2833
Std Dev = 15
ES = 39
High = 2848
Low = 2809
N = 5

150 gr Speer Flat Base 53.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.250"

29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F

Ave Vel = 2704
Std Dev = 18
ES = 49
High = 2727
Low = 2678
N = 5

130 gr Winchester Power Point SP Factory

29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F

Ave Vel = 2789
Std Dev = 17
ES = 42
High = 2809
Low = 2767
N = 5

130 gr Federal Hi Shok Factory

29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F

Ave Vel = 3028
Std Dev = 38
ES = 103
High = 3088
Low = 2985
N = 5

oldmanFCSA · January 7, 2012, 08:49 PM

I have 2 25-06's, 1 a Rem700Varmit Special, 1 a Rem700BDL, love both for their intended purpose.

I have a 280 Rem - love it too.

I have a 30-06 Sprfld - its ok.

Also have 243, 6mmRem, 7mm-08, 7mmRemMag, 308's, 30-30's 444's, etc.

Pick one and shoot it, then get another, repeat.

270Win reputation was over-stated, get a 280Rem or a 280 Ackley Improved, best of all worlds. Best bullet selection, best all around.

Try it - you will like it!!!!!!!!!

Brian Pfleuger · January 7, 2012, 11:02 PM

With most bullets weights, the 280Rem and 280 AI have virtually no muzzle velocity advantage over the 270Win and any velocity they do have is off-set at range by the higher BC of the same weight 277 bullet over the 284.

Hodgdon load data:

270Win 140gr, 2775-2975fps

280Rem, 140gr, 2830-2960fps

280AI, 140gr, 2870-3012fps

The biggest difference I see glancing through the load data is about 150fps for 120gr bullets, which equates to about 250 ft/lbs.

This is not to say that there's anything wrong with the 280Rem or AI but you're certainly not going to see a huge performance gain, or any at all really.

shootniron · January 7, 2012, 11:22 PM

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oldmanFCSA

270Win reputation was over-stated

Let us not succomb to delusions...

I am a big fan of the .280, but the reputation of the .270win is well earned and proven.

I, too, am a fan of the .25-06, it is neat round and a great performer with low recoil.

Lloyd Smale · January 8, 2012, 06:41 AM

never had much use for a 270. Ive got 3 2506s and 2 280s and 3 o6s though. To me the 2506 is a bit flatter shooting and is better at the low end for varmits ect and the 280 and the o6 are a bit more versitile in bullet selection. Plus i detested Jack Oconnor and his dribble!!

taylorce1 · January 8, 2012, 09:39 AM

I love the .270 Win, and don't care for .280 Rem. No real reason for my dislike of the .280 except it realisticly doesn't do anything better or worse than the .270. That and the fact I was already familar with the .270 for several years before I bought my first .280. The .270 and .280 are really hunting rounds that shine with bullets in the same weight range 130-150. Sure the .280 has better bullets that are heavier but your better off using the 7mm RM if your going to go heavier than 150 in a .280 Rem.

The .25-06 is like stated above a little better on the varmint end of the spectrum. My fastes kills on deer have all happened with the .25-06 using 120 grain bullets. It flat works and in a pinch can be used on game up to elk with proper bullet selection. I have better suited rifles for elk but I wouldn't tell anyone wanting to hunt elk they needed a new rifle if they owned a .25-06

old roper · January 8, 2012, 02:49 PM

First you need the bullets then comes the calibers. Matrix is making .277 bullets 165gr BC .7381,175gr BC.7828 and their making 7mm 190gr BC .8071 and these are hunting bullets.

I know some may not be interest but it's a good sign for the interest in the 270 calibers. I have no interest in the 25 cal but it's a shame they have done more on LR for the 25cal.

**44 AMP** · January 8, 2012, 03:25 PM

I have a .25-06, and consider it a fine cartridge, right on the ragged edge of overbore, until recently that slower powders have come on the handloaders market.

never had any interest in the .270. Mostly because of (again, until recently) meager bullet selection. 130 & 150gr (and the 150 was a RN) were all the factories put out. Today, thats not the case, but all my needs and wants are already met without the .277 bore size.

My rifle collection covers .22, .24, .25, & .26calibers and then goes to .30 and up. I'm sure I'm missing a number of good shooting rounds between .26 & .30 but I only have so much time in life, and I don't even get to play with what I already have as much as I would like.

One thing to remember, don't take the published ballistics as gospel. Your rifle can be differnt. One good friend of mine had a .270 Weatherby. Used it well for a few seasons, happy with the speed and power he had over the .270 Win, (and many other rounds). Then he got a chance to chronograph his rifle an ammo (factory). He was getting less than 100fps more (avg) than the same bullet wt in a .270 Win. Quite a bit less than published ballistics.

He later sold the Weatherby, and went on to other calibers.

FairWarning · January 8, 2012, 05:59 PM

Not really much of a need for 25-06, but you can say that about many round. What kind of world would we live in if we didn't have choices? Different is good.

LSnSC · January 8, 2012, 06:57 PM

The 25-06 is a great deer and large varmint cartidge. Sierra 117 Game Kings and 115 NBT's are deer hammers. 87 grain TNT's will turn a coyote inside out.

jimbob86 · January 8, 2012, 07:07 PM

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Back in the 60's, we hunted varmints as practice for deer hunting/shooting.

I still do that, given the chance.

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Not really much of a need for 25-06

"Need" has got nothing to do with it.

That said, I'll keep my .270 WIN !

nate45 · January 8, 2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorch

Seriously, though, the 25-06 and 270 have so many points in common that they are really more alike than different.

The .270 Winchester and .25-06 Remington are two of my fathers favorite cartridges and over the last 40+ years I've seen a lot of the deer, hogs, javelina, etc he has shot with them. I've killed quite a few animals myself with the two cartridges.

I can't tell the difference in the results between a deer shot with a 115-117 grain .257 caliber projectile and a 130 grain .277 one.

hellbent · January 12, 2012, 03:32 PM

I'm brand spankin new to this forum, and glad to be here! I have a couple of comments that I hope folks won't be upset by.

About the 270 Winchester, it was originally designed for military use, but lost out for one reason or another. While it and the 25-06 are both exceptional cartridges, there are other, 'obsolete' cartridges which may well out-perform both. Take the 256 Newton, designed by Charles Newton in 1912-13, boasted the same velocity at 1500 yards as the 30-06 did at 1000. And was not prone to riccochet as it too turned to dust upon impact.

I would suggest reading he article "Charles Newton: Father of the 25-06" in the May 1971 issue of the American Rifleman, or chapter 22 of the book The Rifle in America(can't remember the author), for excellent write-ups of the Newton cartridges. Some of these are available, you just gotta find them.

RaySendero · January 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

Why choose a .25-06 Rem over a .270 Win?

I didn't!

Have a pair of 270s and no 25-06.

January 7, 2012, 07:02 AM	#29
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,433	yeah, the 280 is an 7mm-06 and the 270 is a 277-03. World of difference????? I have found that the 25-06 is a great cartridge for antelope and coyote. Very flat trajectory and not much recoil. It can also be used for varmit or deer. Bullets are a bit light for elk except at close range. 270 is a great deer cartridge but a bit heavy for varmit and coyote. Recoil is heavier. It also works well on elk at medium range. My 4 hunting rifles are: 22-250 for varmits. 25-06 for antelope and coyote. 300WM for deer, elk and moose. and 378 for bear. I have a large variety of rifles in different chamberings, but those 4 are what I use to hunt with. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

January 7, 2012, 11:42 AM	#33
JASmith Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2009 Posts: 157	80 gr TTSX in 25-06 The Hodgdon online manual has loads for 24" barrel in the 80 gr Barnes TTSX bullet that suggest that 3600 ft/sec is a reasonable velocity to think about in terms of trajectory. The Barnes catalog lists this bullet as having a BC of 0.316 G1. JBM Ballistics calculations tell us that this load can be sighted in so that the bullet never goes above or below the line of sight by more than five inches all the way out to 400 yards! The drift at 400 yards in a 10 mph is 14 inches, meaning that there is some margin for error in estimating range and wind drift. The interesting thing is that, if you can afford to shoot the Barnes bullet, it ought to do well on everything from pdogs and jackrabbits through deer & antelope. Would I choose the 25-06 over the 270? Definitely if I had a 30-06 or heavier for large game or am interested in Elk and below. If I were to think about only one rifle for everything but dangerous game, it would be either the .270 or the .260 Remington. __________________ Nevermore... http://shootersnotes.com

January 7, 2012, 07:11 PM	#36
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	My 2 bits...... Since ALL centerfires are better handloaded than with factory ammo, ..... I'll say that if you reload, the 270 has somewhat more versatility and performance. However, if limited to factory ammo, the 270 wins again and by a huge margin. If limited to one rifle, it would be wiser to choose the 270. But then what does wisdom have to with a gun-nut?

January 7, 2012, 08:12 PM	#37
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	The velocity may not be there. Ever chronographed your loads? I was disappointed to find that my FN Deluxe with its 24” barrel does not push a 130 as fast as my 30-06. The velocity I got with 150’s was not particularly spectacular. Even though I am at max charges according to some loading data. I only got 3000 fps with 130’s with Federals. Winchester factory was not particularly spectacular when it came to velocity. I have used 200 grain bullets out to 1000 yards in the 30-06, (rifle match), and shot well. I pulled targets for a guy shooting a 280 Remington at 1000 yards and he shot extremely well, so I know the 280 has the ballistics, but these 270’s/25 caliber rounds, I just don’t consider them long range rounds no matter what the claimed velocities. SAKO 24" Barrel 130gr Hornady Spire Pt 53.7 gr IMR4064 (Lee Scoop 4.0) thrown Fed cases Fed210M Ave Vel = 3185 Std Dev = 33 ES = 68 Low = 3156 High = 3224 N = 5 FN Deluxe 24" Barrel 130 gr Nosler BT 55.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.3" 29 Dec 2011 T = 50 °F Ave Vel = 2833 Std Dev = 15 ES = 39 High = 2848 Low = 2809 N = 5 150 gr Speer Flat Base 53.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.250" 29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F Ave Vel = 2704 Std Dev = 18 ES = 49 High = 2727 Low = 2678 N = 5 130 gr Winchester Power Point SP Factory 29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F Ave Vel = 2789 Std Dev = 17 ES = 42 High = 2809 Low = 2767 N = 5 130 gr Federal Hi Shok Factory 29 Dec 2011 T = 51 °F Ave Vel = 3028 Std Dev = 38 ES = 103 High = 3088 Low = 2985 N = 5 __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

January 7, 2012, 08:49 PM	#38
oldmanFCSA Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2010 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 283	25-06, 280, 30-06, etc I have 2 25-06's, 1 a Rem700Varmit Special, 1 a Rem700BDL, love both for their intended purpose. I have a 280 Rem - love it too. I have a 30-06 Sprfld - its ok. Also have 243, 6mmRem, 7mm-08, 7mmRemMag, 308's, 30-30's 444's, etc. Pick one and shoot it, then get another, repeat. 270Win reputation was over-stated, get a 280Rem or a 280 Ackley Improved, best of all worlds. Best bullet selection, best all around. Try it - you will like it!!!!!!!!!

January 7, 2012, 04:43 AM	#26
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,287	What they both enjoy is making it easy for the shooter to place a shot.Flat trajectory at reasonable ranges,and modest recoil. They are both capable of slapping through ribs and souping hearts and lungs. Mostly due to common twists and the commonly used bullets,we are comparing a 115 to 120 gr bullet to a 130 gr bullet most of the time(Yes,I know there are 140 and 150 gr bullets for a .270.) So,either way,we are talking about the lead in 1/2 a 22 short,or less. Both rely on shot placement and velocity to get the job done. Neither is typically twisted for the heavy for caliber sleek long range bullets,but are great for reasonable hunting ranges. Seems like a fellow can just relax and enjoy his preference. Now,if you asked about the difference between a .270 and a .280,there would be more to talk about,but you didn't.

January 7, 2012, 05:01 AM	#27
giaquir Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Deerfield,New Hampshire Posts: 512	No one needs to send a bullet down range over 3000 fps to do what needs to be done!

January 7, 2012, 07:07 AM	#30
shurshot Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2006 Posts: 1,819	HiBc had it right, pertaining to shot placement. I doubt there is a critter alive in North America, two or four legged, that if hit in the heart / lung / spine or brain, would be able to tell the difference between ANY of the aforementioned calibers. "SHOT PLACEMENT" is the key. Ask any old time hunter or trapper. That being said, IMHO, in 1925 Winchester Arms developed the perfect hunting round, for varmints, medium and big game.... the .270 WIN.

January 7, 2012, 10:37 AM	#32
hoffbill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 246	I do not have a 25-06, I do have a .243Win and a .270Win. I just looked at some reloading data, I appears the 25-06 falls into a slot between the .243 and .270. It's a narrow slot with quite a bit of overlap. However the .243 outshines as a varmint gun because of its ability to shoot 55-58gr bullets with 22-250 like velocity, and the .270 outshines because of its ability to handle larger bullets, 150gr and beyond. However I still want a 25-06 because it sounds cool and I don't have one. Let's face it, none of us will get anywhere in life if we are going to let fear and common sense hold us back!

January 7, 2012, 12:14 PM	#34
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Do what I did, split the difference and build a 6.5-06 and get the best of both worlds. It shoots the light bullets nearly as fast as the .25-06, but the "light" .264 bullets are better ballisticly than the "light" .257, so the difference downrange is minimal. It shoots heavier bullets (140gr and above) as fast or faster than the .270, the only real advantage of the .270 is the choice in heaviest bullets (160gr) is better with the .270. 160gr 6.5 bullets are limited to round nose. There are also a wide variety of match bullets available, if you want to compete. The down side is that it is handload only, but as wildcats go, it isn't all that "wild", simply neck-size 25.06 cases and you are ready to load.

January 7, 2012, 11:02 PM	#39
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	With most bullets weights, the 280Rem and 280 AI have virtually no muzzle velocity advantage over the 270Win and any velocity they do have is off-set at range by the higher BC of the same weight 277 bullet over the 284. Hodgdon load data: 270Win 140gr, 2775-2975fps 280Rem, 140gr, 2830-2960fps 280AI, 140gr, 2870-3012fps The biggest difference I see glancing through the load data is about 150fps for 120gr bullets, which equates to about 250 ft/lbs. This is not to say that there's anything wrong with the 280Rem or AI but you're certainly not going to see a huge performance gain, or any at all really. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

January 8, 2012, 06:41 AM	#41
Lloyd Smale Junior member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Posts: 822	never had much use for a 270. Ive got 3 2506s and 2 280s and 3 o6s though. To me the 2506 is a bit flatter shooting and is better at the low end for varmits ect and the 280 and the o6 are a bit more versitile in bullet selection. Plus i detested Jack Oconnor and his dribble!!

January 8, 2012, 09:39 AM	#42
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	I love the .270 Win, and don't care for .280 Rem. No real reason for my dislike of the .280 except it realisticly doesn't do anything better or worse than the .270. That and the fact I was already familar with the .270 for several years before I bought my first .280. The .270 and .280 are really hunting rounds that shine with bullets in the same weight range 130-150. Sure the .280 has better bullets that are heavier but your better off using the 7mm RM if your going to go heavier than 150 in a .280 Rem. The .25-06 is like stated above a little better on the varmint end of the spectrum. My fastes kills on deer have all happened with the .25-06 using 120 grain bullets. It flat works and in a pinch can be used on game up to elk with proper bullet selection. I have better suited rifles for elk but I wouldn't tell anyone wanting to hunt elk they needed a new rifle if they owned a .25-06 __________________ NRA Life Member

January 8, 2012, 02:49 PM	#43
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 2,155	First you need the bullets then comes the calibers. Matrix is making .277 bullets 165gr BC .7381,175gr BC.7828 and their making 7mm 190gr BC .8071 and these are hunting bullets. I know some may not be interest but it's a good sign for the interest in the 270 calibers. I have no interest in the 25 cal but it's a shame they have done more on LR for the 25cal. __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam 1965 VFW Life member NRA Life Member

January 8, 2012, 03:25 PM	#44
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	I have a .25-06, and consider it a fine cartridge, right on the ragged edge of overbore, until recently that slower powders have come on the handloaders market. never had any interest in the .270. Mostly because of (again, until recently) meager bullet selection. 130 & 150gr (and the 150 was a RN) were all the factories put out. Today, thats not the case, but all my needs and wants are already met without the .277 bore size. My rifle collection covers .22, .24, .25, & .26calibers and then goes to .30 and up. I'm sure I'm missing a number of good shooting rounds between .26 & .30 but I only have so much time in life, and I don't even get to play with what I already have as much as I would like. One thing to remember, don't take the published ballistics as gospel. Your rifle can be differnt. One good friend of mine had a .270 Weatherby. Used it well for a few seasons, happy with the speed and power he had over the .270 Win, (and many other rounds). Then he got a chance to chronograph his rifle an ammo (factory). He was getting less than 100fps more (avg) than the same bullet wt in a .270 Win. Quite a bit less than published ballistics. He later sold the Weatherby, and went on to other calibers. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 8, 2012, 05:59 PM	#45
FairWarning Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: GA Posts: 1,149	Not really much of a need for 25-06, but you can say that about many round. What kind of world would we live in if we didn't have choices? Different is good. __________________ Mauser Werke, Schmidt-Rubin, Colt, Walther, HK, Weatherby, Sig Sauer, Browning, Ruger, Beretta, etc, etc....a few friends of mine

January 8, 2012, 06:57 PM	#46
LSnSC Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 514	The 25-06 is a great deer and large varmint cartidge. Sierra 117 Game Kings and 115 NBT's are deer hammers. 87 grain TNT's will turn a coyote inside out.

January 12, 2012, 03:32 PM	#49
hellbent Junior Member Join Date: January 12, 2012 Posts: 7	I'm brand spankin new to this forum, and glad to be here! I have a couple of comments that I hope folks won't be upset by. About the 270 Winchester, it was originally designed for military use, but lost out for one reason or another. While it and the 25-06 are both exceptional cartridges, there are other, 'obsolete' cartridges which may well out-perform both. Take the 256 Newton, designed by Charles Newton in 1912-13, boasted the same velocity at 1500 yards as the 30-06 did at 1000. And was not prone to riccochet as it too turned to dust upon impact. I would suggest reading he article "Charles Newton: Father of the 25-06" in the May 1971 issue of the American Rifleman, or chapter 22 of the book The Rifle in America(can't remember the author), for excellent write-ups of the Newton cartridges. Some of these are available, you just gotta find them.

January 12, 2012, 07:55 PM	#50
RaySendero Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2010 Location: US South Posts: 857	Why choose a .25-06 Rem over a .270 Win? I didn't! Have a pair of 270s and no 25-06.