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Old May 1, 2017, 07:47 PM   #1
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Savage 16/116

Does anyone know the difference between the Savage 16/116 Trophy hunter XP and the Savage 16/116 International Trophy Hunter XP? Besides weight that is. Also I noticed the International version does not have a twist rate given for the 300WM. Any ideas on the twist is rate and is there something else I'm missing here?
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Old May 1, 2017, 08:07 PM   #2
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Both are SS, the stock will may be the only differance. All Savage 110 or in this case 116 are the same basiclly, the differences in rifle models are blind mag, removable mag, stock design and sometimes sights.
The twist rate for a Savage chambered in 300 WM should be 1:10.
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Old May 1, 2017, 08:15 PM   #3
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That's what I thought it should be is 1:10. Kinda weird they put n/a in that section for the International and then 1:10 in the other. Thanks for the info
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Old May 1, 2017, 10:05 PM   #4
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I thought the 10 was short action (243, 308) and 116 was long action (270, 30-06), but could be wrong.

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Old May 2, 2017, 05:02 PM   #5
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tahoe2,

You are correct but the way they are listed on the Savage web site is 16/116, 10/110 etc.....
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Old May 2, 2017, 09:56 PM   #6
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thanks OldDav, I meant to write 10/16 vs 110/116 = short vs long
my fingers are too fat for the phone keyboard. lol
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Old May 3, 2017, 12:06 PM   #7
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According to the website, they have different scopes. Also the Trophy has more chambering options. The pictures make the SS look different, but the description says they're both matte, so I'm guessing it's just the scopes/calibers.
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Old May 3, 2017, 03:28 PM   #8
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A 2 digit model number is short action, 3 digit numbers are long action. If the last digit is 6 it is SS.

The question is Trophy Hunter XP vs International Trophy Hunter XP

The stocks appear to be slightly different, but the International Hunter XP is only sold outside the USA. Other than a different stock in the photo's I can't see any other differences.

Quote from Savage's website: Read the last line

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Product Description
11 International Trophy Hunter
Series: Package
Magazine: Detachable box
Stock Material: Synthetic
Barrel Material: Carbon Steel
Barrel Finish: Matte
Barrel Color: Black
AccuTrigger: Yes
AccuStock: No
Sights: Weaver 3-9x40 Scope, Mounted and Bore Sighted
Features: Only available outside of US Market
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Old May 4, 2017, 08:42 PM   #9
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I know mine has failed to fire on 2 different brands of primers, factory and hand load.
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Old May 7, 2017, 08:50 AM   #10
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Thank you JMR40 for clearing that up
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Old May 7, 2017, 11:37 AM   #11
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"...does not have a twist rate..." The manufacturers use the same twist for all their rifles in a given chambering.
"...something else I'm missing..." The "Only available outside of US Market." maybe. Kind of wonder about the 'why' of that.
"...for the phone keyboard..." Isn't your fingers. Keys are too close together and too small for normal sized hands. They are on a real key board too. snicker.
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Manufactueres do not use the same twist rate for the same bullet. A lot of American 30-06s are 1:10. Sako is 1:11. I think Tika is too, but would have to double check.

243s vary in twists too, depending on what you want to do with it.

Always check the twist when buying a rifle.
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Old May 7, 2017, 05:17 PM   #13
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I know mine has failed to fire on 2 different brands of primers, factory and hand load.
You either have a firing pin problem or you have a head space issue.

I would contact Savage, they tend to be really good about that stuff.

You can find the firing pin protrusion data on the Savage Shooters forum.

You don't want to send a whole gun back for a bolt problem.

That is by far the mostly likely issue.
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Old May 9, 2017, 05:08 PM   #14
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I checked the head space. I also measured the protrusion. I have since stripped the bolt and cleaned. Seemed to be moving find and saw no signs of gunk with my eye.

I read about another guy, same thing on another forum.

Should be same 110 action?? Some maybe nothing unique to this model, I was just searching for 116

I haven't tried it since I cleaned. It can 150 rounds before failing. So hard to trouble shoot, and hard to trust.

I may put 50 rounds through it so I can ethically sell it. If it fires 50 times, than your problem for buying a Savage. Though I hate to screw someone.

Both times it did it, was towards the end of range sessions. I do let it cool, for testing accuracy. Not hot to the touch. But maybe the thing just can't handle alot of shooting.

My 1970s 700, I doubt the bolt was ever apart.
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Old May 9, 2017, 05:11 PM   #15
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What I really hate about this rifle is the magazine is to long. My 700, the magazine is about the length of 30-06 round. The savage is sloppy long. So the bases for Leupold have to cantalever over the blind magazine. This makes it annoying to get your fingers in.

Also shells seem to go in cockeyed a bit, and fished out with screw driver.

Maybe they do a long magazine so you can convert to something else.

I wanted a cheap gun, I didn't have to worry about, but it may be to cheap for my tastes.
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