April 26, 2016, 07:23 AM | #51 | |
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The are exceptions--a family member having a seizure, for example--but they are not at all common. Once one has elected to engage in some kind of a fight to restrain someone, ones's chance of prevailing in a self defense claim, should things turn sour, will be very much impaired. The chances of having to employ deadly force for self defense on any one day are extremely remote. The chances of having to do so at least once in a lifetime are much higher. The consequences of not being able to do so should the need arise can be extremely severe. |
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April 26, 2016, 11:16 PM | #52 |
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Strange, I have one burglar and one purse snatched to my credit. The burglar was stealing from my parent's house while I was in college. I used a Colt Cobra to hold him at bay. The purse snatcher was in the Virgen Islands when my wife and I were on our honeymoon. Two of us ran the guy down. The other guy bear hugged 'em while I applied a wrist lock. The purse snatcher kept screaming, "let go of my hand" (well I WAS a bit enthusiastic...) We didn't "go to the ground".
There was no "grappling". Even in the fights I was in while in high school there was no grappling. Does that mean it does not happen? No. But go look at "YouTube" and search for "street fights", and you will see this 85 percent thing is hokie. Deaf
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April 27, 2016, 08:20 AM | #53 | |
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I agree. And the amount of emphasis should be...avoiding grappling. And that is grapple training. It should also be in getting off your back. I spent all last night in class on escapes. About 2 hours. Escaping side, escaping mount, and escaping Kesagatame (scarf hold). That is something every fighter should learn. And I am holding my position that you don't need to learn any submissions (except MAYBE the Kimora that is utilized if someone grabs at a holstered gun while you are on your back...but even then...better to know how to keep them from doing that by learning to escape your back). |
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I am not suggesting anyone take it up as their only defensive art. I am suggesting they do not neglect it. Any fight can end up on the ground against your wishes. All it takes is bad luck. |
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April 27, 2016, 08:36 AM | #55 | |
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85%? Nah. 85% of fights going to the ground is not even remotely close. But you did just give a 50% stat lol. But that is because I consider bear hugs and wrist locks grappling. My definition of grapple training is ANYTHING from defending against submissions, takedowns, sweeps, and basically anything that is the art of not allowing someone to put any kind of control hold or throw on you. |
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I do a bit; like multiplication tables, it's a good thing to have seen and done before a pop quiz.
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I wrestled for 4 years in high school, very casually dabbled in some BJJ, and then tried MMA for a little while, also very casually. I've also been certified 3 times in PPCT (LEO martial arts) and am a tan belt in MCMAP (Marine Corps).
The most useful of all that I have trained in is, BY FAR, PPCT. There is absolutely nothing fancy about it. It is all gross motor skills and every technique is based around the assumption that you are wearing a gun that you don't want your adversary to take away. Some techniques involve gaining space and employing your sidearm. If you are carrying, depending on the totality of the circumstances, that is the most advisable thing to do should you find yourself in a hand to hand altercation. Gain space, disengage the threat, side step or circle to an angle that gives you the advantage, draw and give loud verbal commands. If, for whatever reason, you find yourself on the ground with an attacker in a position of advantage, maintain control of your weapon at all costs. If he gets it you are at his mercy. If I have the opportunity to draw my weapon, with someone on top of me, I will and I will use it. That is absolutely a deadly force situation IMO. **DISCLAIMER** I am NOT an attorney. The above post is NOT legal advice and should not be considered or used as such.
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Stonewall,
The ONLY reason we didn't punch and kick the purse snatcher was cause HE didn't punch or kick. He tried to just get away. If he had thrown a punch I'd have gone to elbows mixed with left and right crosses. You see at the time this happened I was a 4th dan. Taekwondo and taught my own school. I'd been in Okinawan karate, Judo, and some Shotokan as well as lots of TangSoDoo. Later I got into Krav Maga to boot. Nowdays I'm a 5th Dan and I play with Wing Chun, escrima, and Kali for fun but I've also competed in NRA leg matches, IPSC (class 'A'), IDPA (expert and above in all classifications), and IHMSA. I have a very nice set of trophies in my man cave. Plus been to quite a few schools ran by well know trainers. Deaf
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A firearm is just a tool for self defense. IMHO, you are at a serious disadvantage if it's your only tool. |
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I have taken a couple of weapon retention classes as well as ground fighting and ARCON. My original introduction into any sort of self defense was the nearly forgotten Yun Mu Kwan back in the late 70's. I don't know that I have a plan but I will react intuitively if attacked. What I will do or to what degree depends a great deal on what is happening. I do not really consider myself skilled in fighting but I am a pretty fair brawler haha. I think that about 80% of fighting is personal grit and 20% is what you know.
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Back to the subject at hand, I agree with Adam that grappling skills would get more use than firearm skills. There are many instances where non lethal methods are more appropriate. These skills are made even more important by the fact that many states don't allow the carry of non lethal weapons such as batons and blackjacks, with some regulating even pepper spray I believe.
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