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Old March 7, 2020, 03:27 PM   #1
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Are companies still making guns chambered in 40 s&w?

I’m kinda out of touch with the caliber debate but most of what I own is chambered I. 40s&w. I love the round and is my preferred choice for most anything handgun. I’ve been reading some lately that the 40 has fallen out of favor with the FBI and Law Enforcement. Im not a reloader so thought I’d ask, are gun companies still producing guns chambered in the 40S&W, or am I at risk of running out of ammo? Thought and opinions please. Thanks.
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Old March 7, 2020, 03:47 PM   #2
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There is plenty of .40 S&W ammo on the shelves as there are still plenty of guns chambered in .40 S&W in circulation.

On top of that, a quick looks shows that Glock has 5 current models chambered in .40.

Looks like Ruger makes 5 models.

Looks like Springfield makes 2 versions of the XD in .40

S&W looks like they make 80 guns chambered in .40 (although some of those are MA and CA compliant versions).

Looks the .40 will still in business for another year or so at least.
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Old March 7, 2020, 05:21 PM   #3
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You're right about LE agencies going away from .40, at least some, but there are too many pistols already out there for the ammo to go away, and as Kreyzhorse notes, still more being produced. Some good deals on used pistols in the caliber, too, if it interests you.
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Old March 7, 2020, 06:56 PM   #4
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There are enough LE agencies going to 9mm that the market is flooded with 40 S&W trade ins. New guns in that cartridge may be more difficult to find for a while, but I don't expect them to completely stop making them.

There are simply too many guns chambered in 40 S&W for ammo companies to stop producing ammo. I don't foresee this as an issue in my lifetime.
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Old March 7, 2020, 07:47 PM   #5
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There are enough LE agencies going to 9mm that the market is flooded with 40 S&W trade ins.
True that. I got a sweet M&P for a song that was a trade in. Fantastic gun as well.
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Old March 7, 2020, 08:47 PM   #6
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2 years ago I purchased a Springfield EMP 4 in .40 and this year I also purchased the EMP 40 in the 3 inch-So I hope they are not defunct.
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Old March 8, 2020, 12:57 AM   #7
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the .40 has lost popularity, most gun stores dont even want it, if you try to trade or sell it

takes too long to move, the last guns in the store are always .40

everybody buys the 9mm
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Old March 8, 2020, 05:18 AM   #8
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Even with the LE move to 9mm, there are so many .40s out there that ammo manufacturers will keep making ammo.
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Old March 8, 2020, 09:01 AM   #9
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You wait....some new super crack will come out in the next and they’ll be dropping those 9mm’s for 45 again! Then will come 40 s&w as the do it all.
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Old March 8, 2020, 10:45 AM   #10
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40s are still very common here for most of the cops.
In fact it's the most used round for most of the guns carried in uniform patrol. I am betting there are thousands of agencies that adopted 40s all over the USA who are not likely to change over and buy all new guns just because some others agencies are. The trend of what is most common takes years to change, and years to change again. I am in my mid 60s and in my whole lifetime I have seen the "standard" go from the 357 magnum to a "blend" of 357 and 9mm, to 40 S&W, and now a blend of 40 and 9MM, with 40 being carried by most still. I know several officers in the S.Os. around here and in 2 police departments. If I were to guess, I'd say 40 is used by about 80% of them and 9MM by 20%. That may swing to the 9MM, but I have not seen it happening very fast.
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Old March 8, 2020, 11:43 AM   #11
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Good point Wyosmith -

38 / 357 was the standard for a long, long time. I would surprised if any major PD still issued revolvers chambered for either. Doesn't seem to be any shortage of either of those rounds on the market.
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Old March 8, 2020, 09:14 PM   #12
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I'm more concerned about running out of 357 Sig that I shoot out of the drop in barrel that I have for my P229 40.

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Old March 10, 2020, 08:08 PM   #13
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Of course they do. Honestly, people need to stop believing every sensationalized article declaring the .40 S&W cartridge as dead just because the FBI dropped it and some of the more sheepish PDs with money to burn followed suit.
Besides, if you read most of said articles, they tend to be written by guys who never liked the cartridge in the first place if you look back at other articles they've written on the cartridge in the past, dating back to before the FBI ever dropped it.

Honestly, .45 Long Colt was in and out of service for less time than .40 S&W was before it got dropped, yet firearms are still being chambered for it to this very day.

.40 S&W simply has a lot of haters who wish doom upon it and are happy to spread any negative articles or anecdotal evidence to support it's done for any number of reasons. Keep in mind that there are a lot of folks who blame the .40 S&W for the 10mm Autos lack of mainstream popularity, not to mention the downloaded .40 spec FBI loads. It also ruined decades worth of 9mm Luger vs .45 ACP arguments. Oh, and obviously it emasculated a lot of folks who shot it, complained of snappy recoil, then heard that it's actually not all that powerful of a round. So whether it be due to upstaging its bigger brother, brought it down to their level, made arguments end prematurely, or unofficially revoked their Man Card, there are plenty of folks who would like nothing more than to see it bite the dust, and thus they will cling to any source of information which suggests that its days are numbered.

Sure, less guns are being chambered for it at the moment, but when there are tons of inexpensive high quality police trade-ins as well as being sold on consignment by sheeple who no longer care to carry it because it's not the number 1 cartridge used by Law Enforcement anymore, it wouldn't make any sense for them to do so when obviously they can't compete with those prices.

*sigh* I wonder if there were tons of folks declaring the imminent demise of the .38 Special, 9mm Luger, and/or .357 Magnum after the FBI/LE switched to .40 S&W in the early 90s and there were lots of police trade-in Model 10s, 19s, 39s, and 5906s flooding the market?
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Old March 12, 2020, 04:52 AM   #14
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everybody buys the 9mm
Actually . . . . . no. There are many of us who prefer the 40 over the 9. I handload and don't even own a 9mm anything. 38Spl, .357Mag, 40 S&W, 10MM, 45acp, 45 Super, and 45 Colt but not a 9mm to be seen. My CCW piece is and has been a Glock 23 for 16 years. I shoot 180grn Speer Gold Dot handloads, in Speer brass, to Speer Velocities and I'm not even interested in owning a 9mm.

My 'woods walking' piece is a custom Glock 20L (6" slide and barrel) I developed back in 2004, long before anyone was even considering one. I can push a 165grn bullet at 1,579fps which is faster than the my best 158grn .357Mag load out of a 7½ revolver. Low bore axis means much better followup shooting than with a revolver, any revolver. Best of all, my G20L, loaded with 17+1 rds actually weighs less than a 6" S&W 686 loaded with only 6rds of .357Mag.
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Old March 12, 2020, 12:20 PM   #15
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If Sportsman's Guide is any indicator, they show 54 pistols chambered in .40 S&W.
What the FBI or other LEO thinks really makes no difference. All of 'em buy stuff based on the lowest bidder. That bid will usually be for the pistols, ammo, maintenance and training.
"...the FBI dropped it..." Because they bought the things as a knee jerk reaction to poor training and needing a pistol for small hands.
"...prefer the 40 over the 9..." That's a Chevy vs Ford(both of which are girlie now after dropping proper standard transmissions) debate. It's been going on for eons.
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Old March 12, 2020, 08:46 PM   #16
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I own seeveral .40s. I was making most of my ammo for them until this past year, now I buy the stuff online it's so cheap, and there seems to be plenty availability. The bright side is that I have a lot of makings for when prices rise again someday.
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Old March 15, 2020, 06:33 AM   #17
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I can reload 40S&W for about half the cost of factory rounds, including sunk costs. I'll be good for a long time.
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Old March 15, 2020, 12:31 PM   #18
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I can reload 40S&W for about half the cost of factory rounds, including sunk costs. I'll be good for a long time.
I bought lots of components for my pistols some years back before the price increases and so I've got plenty of everything (enough components for thousands of rds in each caliber) so I can handload good quality .38spl and .357mag, 40s&w and 10mm, .45acp and 45 Super, and even 45 Colt for stupid low prices for years more of shooting. (Same goes for the 9 rifle calibers I shoot too.) And that's not counting the ammo cans full of handloads I've already got made up in every caliber I shoot. Heck, I'm likely GTG until I'm 80!!!!
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Old March 15, 2020, 03:40 PM   #19
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STI makes one model in that caliber.
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Old March 15, 2020, 09:39 PM   #20
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I think Wilson Combat has announced they will stop making guns in .38 Super, .40 S&W, and some hot-rodded .45; either .45 Super or .460 Rowland.
Apparently, the once thought left-for-dead 10mm is still an option.
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Old March 16, 2020, 10:21 AM   #21
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I think Wilson Combat has announced they will stop making guns in .38 Super, .40 S&W, and some hot-rodded .45; either .45 Super or .460 Rowland.
Apparently, the once thought left-for-dead 10mm is still an option.
Where did you read this "announcement" on the 40 S&W and 38 Super?

I ask because I see that they are still selling guns chambered in both and still selling their ammo for both.

https://www.wilsoncombat.com/faqs/#addsearch=38%20super

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Old March 16, 2020, 10:24 AM   #22
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If you use the search function here you can see that about once a month for the last 5 or so years someone asks if the 40 is dead.

The answer is always no it's not.

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Old March 16, 2020, 12:12 PM   #23
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I shot 20K rounds a year of 40 for close to 10 years. In 2016 I made the switch to 9mm largely driven by the games I shoot.

I have a few .40s and more 9s, but I have scads of magazines and components for both.

I don't see the .40 going away anytime soon. It is more popular than .45 and 10mm, probably even .380.

If you have .357Sig, or .45Glock or any of the other boutique calibers, better have some reloading dies and components on hand if you shoot them even sporadically.
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Old March 16, 2020, 07:20 PM   #24
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Posted at 1911forum.

"...once supply of barrels in these calibers is gone. Just got the e-mail from Wilson Combat."

I found a similar post on another forum, dated 2018 . . .
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Old March 17, 2020, 10:09 AM   #25
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Do you have a link to the 1911 forum piece?

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