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Old February 15, 2020, 05:12 AM   #26
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Old February 15, 2020, 06:08 AM   #27
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"Weak wristing!" When they finally got the main Spring right? They wrapped up!" (BRIT)


Britt, can you clarify... are you insinuating that "weak wristing"(or more commonly known in the USA as Limp wristing), is not a real phenomenon with Glocks (or other semiautomatic pistols) and that the springs are at fault??

As far as the OP saying "must carry", I didn't read that as it was a mandatory legal requirement that everyone HAS to carry, but more as a common sense decision based upon the crime rate in that State. Similar to in Maine or other northern states during winter months, drivers MUST carry extra warm clothing, blankets, cell phone, food, etc. in their car in case they break down. It's not the LAW, but just good common sense.
That's how I read the OP's post, as a common sense assumption, not literally. I may be wrong.

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Old February 15, 2020, 09:39 AM   #28
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The OP says "You live in a state where you must carry concealed." In other words, you MUST carry, it's the law.
You must be kidding.

If "you must carry concealed," it would mean that it's illegal to open carry.

The operative word is "concealed," not "must."
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Old February 15, 2020, 11:31 AM   #29
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[facepalm][smashing head against wall]

The OP made perfect sense to me. I don't understand all of the confusion.
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Old February 15, 2020, 11:44 AM   #30
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The OP says "You live in a state where you must carry concealed." In other words, you MUST carry, it's the law.

That's not the same as "If you carry, it must be concealed".
Semantics. They ARE the same, and I think most readers understood the question. That said, your way of constructing the sentence is less ambiguous.
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Old February 15, 2020, 12:17 PM   #31
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sureshot.

Yes, limp wristing is a real phenomenon, and by holding a powerful pistol weakly, that pistol could have an operator-induced malfunction.
In my case, and a good friends case, no chance! We both had grips that could crush apples, just joking!
It just so happened that when the new encapsulated mainspring was being introduced IE the Gen 4 model 19. A few new mainsprings were sent as replacements, until the magic formula was found, in fact, that one is still in my carry pistol, works flawlessly! I never had a similar problem with any of my Glocks that had a single mainspring.

Glock showed unusual restraint in the introduction of their .22 LR pistol, the Glock 44, it took 3 years to bring it to market! Having a huge technological breakthrough in the construction of the slide, part polymer, part steel.
Which vastly increases the speed of the movement of the slide. As the .22 LR is not that powerful. As is the worldwide favourite the 9mm parabellum.

My Buddy has one the G44, I have handled it, tore it apart, but not fired it. A very clever piece of equipment.
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Old February 15, 2020, 12:39 PM   #32
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I hadn't heard about that Glock / spring issue. Interesting.
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Old February 16, 2020, 09:36 AM   #33
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Semantics… Some of you sound like my old English teachers. This is a gun forum for gosh sakes. We all knew what he meant...quit being a PITA. Thx for posting Doc. It’s a valid question. Rod
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Old February 16, 2020, 10:53 AM   #34
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I think that some of the Forum does not know how to read. On my response # 23 I state
"I live in Fl. where you must carry, if you want to carry," The last 5 words says it all.
This means in order for you to carry your weapon is MUST BE CONCEALED in Florida. It does not mean that you have to carry, just if you want to. I appreciate all of the responses to those who carry their weapon concealed & what kind or revolver or semi do they carry. This is a very simple question guys & ladies.
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Old February 16, 2020, 02:46 PM   #35
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The Firing Line is a firearms and civil rights forum, not a grammar forum. Let's try to get back to the topic of discussion, please:

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What would you carry & why?
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Old February 17, 2020, 05:09 AM   #36
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And what we carry and why changes. Not daily, but change it does. Way back when, for instance, Glock introduced a novel new construction into carry pistols.
Steel and aluminium frames became plastic (Polymer if you will) vastly reducing the weight that hung on your hip.

And guess what, they work well. The vastling back and forth in my recent life, Glock 43X and Glock 19 Gen 4 seems to have settled in. 15 plus one won out. I do not work anymore (But we do seem to have lots to do, my wife and I of 28 years) and carting the G19 around seems to fit our lifestyle just fine.

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Old February 19, 2020, 09:33 AM   #37
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Update! Urban Carry has shipped the OTB leather with inner shell in Kydex, holster. For my 43X. This I think is going to be a breakthrough. And as I now have a steel 15 round magazine, that will give me 16 rounds ready to go, as with my G19. That will be new my carry pistol, and with a 19 round extended spare, the extra bulk is straight up, not outwards. Good to go.

All I have to do now is go out to the range. And test this gear. The extra 5 rounds will add a little weight, but not enough to matter I don't think. The holster has two slots and made for my favourite carry place, the right rear 3-30pm-ish. With not too drastic a cant.

When I went back to the G19 it was purely because of the round count. Fixed.
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Old February 19, 2020, 11:10 AM   #38
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I live in Wyoming and we are a "Constitutional Carry State". (It is good we have such a written law, but very sad and tragic that the socialists have made such inroads into destroying the Bill of Rights that we are now being forced to write laws to make the law the law. Open treason is the policy that most places embrace as law today)
Anyway.......It quite common to see open carry hear. But I still conceal when I go to the bigger towns and cities just because if you need a gun it's best for the enemy to now know you have it until it's in action.
Anyway, here in the colder times of year I have no problem at all carrying my large frame S&W 357s, 44s and 45. Most of these N-Frame S&Ws have 6 or 6.5" barrels too. Autos conceal easier, but not much easier if I wear a coat.
For summer I have a pocket gun which is a Ruger LCP in 380 and also a Kahr PM in 45 as well as a S&W 636 in 357 with a 2" barrel. In summer I only conceal when going to the big towns and cities but mostly I simply open carry. Living out in the country, no one cares (or even knows) most of the time.

If for some reason I was forced to always conceal in the warm weather I would probably go out and buy a small 9mm or maybe a 40 just for that purpose. I'd lean towards a S&W M&P or small Glock in all likelihood. But I still live in Real America, so I don't have to make that kind of choice, so far at least.
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Old February 19, 2020, 12:15 PM   #39
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I live in Tx and now we have open carry if you have a CC license. When the open carry law went in to effect I saw about 3 people who open carried. I haven't seen an open carry in over a year now. I am sure some still do it but even being pro gun I thought it sort of looked stupid like you were saying "look at me I have a gun". Big deal.

If I'm going to carry it will be concealed. I don't want or need anyone to know what I'm doing. Thats my business.

And yes the title of the thread and the content of the OPs post doesn't make a lot of sense. I understood what he was asking about having to carry concealed but don't know where the under 25' rule comes in.
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Old February 20, 2020, 05:10 PM   #40
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For those criticizing my assessment that grammar matters, consider how we feel about people who use "clip" instead of "Magazine", "Cylinder" instead of "Chamber", "assault rifle" with "semi automatic rifle", "AK" with "AR-15", "Pistol" vs. "Handgun" vs. "Revolver", "Suppressor" vs. "silencer".... on and on.

Words matter.

As for open carry.... REALLY? I open carried about every other day, October, November, December, January because Hunting Season! How the heck do you guys go hunting if you can't open carry???
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Old February 20, 2020, 09:06 PM   #41
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"Clip"? It IS a clip. Speak for yourself Stinkypete. Enough of the PC BS. Long before the internet and the bearded tactical crowd, it was standard practice in the firearms industry, from the WW1 era up until the 70's and 80's, to use the terms "Clip", "Clip capacity" and "Clip Magazine" in the gun advertisements. If you had walked into a gun shop and asked for a gun magazine, the owner might offer you your choice of Guns and Ammo or Shooting Times. If you said you wanted a CLIP, he would ask what caliber and model. Yes, we all knew about the Garand clip being an actual clip. No one cared in my neighborhood. Good grief!
Don't believe me??? Do a Google search / images under the words Remington, Winchester or Marlin and "clip". You will find numerous vintage ads using the term Clip. It's what we called them, because it was what the MANUFACTURERS called them!
If you want to call it a magazine, fine. Clip, magazine... who cares? And as far as criticism towards the OP's choice of words, enough already.
Some of you guys need to get out and shoot more.

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Old February 21, 2020, 09:40 AM   #42
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The bearded tactical crowd? I started early, just out of my National Service, 1954 I flung my razor! Just went back to shaving, for a short while (In Canada, 1970 "We don't hire Hippys?" Me, married with two children?)
Now it is a nice white beard. Just received my new Urban Carry holster. For my G43X. Really well made, perfect position, but TIGHT! So Glock 19 for a while, till I go to the range, and check out the 15 round steel magazine. Then might even use the original Glock 10 rounder in the pistol. Can not beat Glock magazines. Carry the 15 one as a spare (after I have checked it out) we can not forget that most problems we semi-auto pistols are magazine induced. Not sure yet, here is me, moaning about 10 round capacity magazines not enough, then talking about carrying the Glock ten rounder, because of the reliability that I have found with Glock factory magazines since 1984. Hard to please yes?

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Old March 12, 2020, 10:29 AM   #43
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Concealed carry is not required where I live, but I always cary concealed anyway and prefer a full sized handgun. I carry mine IWB.
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Old March 12, 2020, 12:11 PM   #44
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Enough of the PC BS
I don't think Politically Correct are the proper words. More like elitist. Holds true for "pistol" as well when used to describe a handgun with a revolving cylinder. Before the internet, and all the self proclaimed experts, any firearm you held in one hand was a pistol!
While politely "educating" a newbie to the proper usage of firearms terms is fine. Flaming somebody because you think you know so much more than they do is nothing but counter productive.
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Old March 14, 2020, 01:19 PM   #45
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I've been conceal carrying a Glock 23 for quite awhile; I think it sufficient for under 25 feet.
Open carry is legal, no thanks.
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Old April 10, 2020, 10:34 AM   #46
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I carry double action only S&W models 3953 or 4053 in Don Hume H715-M IWB holsters secured to a 1.5" gun belt. This setup works well with shorts, cargo pants, jeans, or dress pants. The ammo is Federal HST.

Why? I like these single stack semi-autos for EDC because they conceal well and suit my long term training and conditioning. I carried revolvers on duty for more than three decades and feel more comfortable with the DAO autos because under stress I may go to the trigger early. Getting on the trigger was acceptable with revolvers in the olden days.
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Old April 11, 2020, 04:59 PM   #47
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Even though there are many open carry areas here, I always carry concealed in town so the answer is the same as I do now; Glock 23 in a leather iwb holster in town, open carry G20L in the woods. G23 in the holster at the bottom, G20L at the top in a Yaqui Slide holster.

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Old April 27, 2020, 03:04 PM   #48
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What to carry?

Unfortunately, I live in a state where no carry permits are issued even though they are technically legal. But if I were to get a permit I would carry this:

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Old April 29, 2020, 05:54 AM   #49
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It's seems to me that it's stupid to carry openly. This draws attention to oneself & very likely you will be confronted & forced to action which you might be arrested or have your weapon confiscated by the Police until your trial.
Very true though it surely depends on where you are. In rural Wyoming, perhaps. In rural Pa... (open carry is legal in PA)....I have never seen anyone carry openly. In urban areas in open carry states.....you may be legal but you are going to get stopped sooner or later.
About the “must carry” business. No....we did not all know what the OP really meant. It has become clear as the thread progressed. The idea could have been phrased more clearly.
What burns me is the idea stated earlier in this thread is that paying attention to such details is elitist. Sad...that. This is our language for goodness sake. Take good care of it.
Also....the relevance of the “under 25 feet” has not been addressed.
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