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You'll also need permission in nearly every state in the U.S.: Alabama without a holster.....you do use a holster for your AR pistol don't you? California concealed requires a permit, open carry requires a permit. Colorado you can't carry concealed or open without a permit. Connecticut has a stroke over such evil pistols. Delaware requires a permit to carry concealed D.C. No open carry and carrying concealed likely requires a lengthy court battle. Florida no open carry without a concealed carry license. Georgia.....I could go on and on but you really CAN'T go wherever you want without asking someone's permission. http://www.handgunlaw.us/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state
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Arizona wouldn't care much, as long as he isn't a prohibited possessor.
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Its called LEOSA. I can carry it wherever. Try taking a SBR on a road trip legally. No need to be a smart alec.
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LEOSA...wish it covered more people. My cousin was a cop in Fort Worth for years, too, nice place.
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To cross state lines with an SBR you need a mother may I from ATF and it must speciffy where you are going and why. Several states are nogo' s simply because NFA items are illegal there. The utility of the AR pistol is not that one is going to carry it in the same manner as a CCW but that you can carry it loaded in the car with you, legally. An SBR is still a rifle. Many states have laws that regulate loaded rifles in vehicles that are vastly different than the laws on pistols. The only real concern I have is states with magazine capacity laws, by many of those states I have no reason or desire to visit.
I see two disinct camps here. The SBR camp, those who have invested in them and feel they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the AR pistol camp who says hmm I can do pretty much the same thing without the red tape and cost. Have used machine guns, SBR's, sub guns and about everything in between for almost 40 years and I am sold on the AR pistol concept after using one and shooting competively with it against guys with carbines.
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LEOSA doesn't grant you the same concealed carry rights as does a CHL/LTC/CCW issued by a state. For example, restrictions imposed by a business (like a "No Guns" sign) or even in state government buildings here in Texas..........'cause if you aren't licensed in Texas, you can't carry concealed in a state government building. Further, and maybe most importantly, LEOSA doesn't exempt you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act for example......you'll need PERMISSION in the form of that states firearms permit to possess a firearm when within 1,000ft of a school. Didn't know that did ya? Think about how many schools are within 1,000ft of an interstate highway, much less surface streets. So every time you been traveling thinking you don't need anyone's permission........you've been committing felony after felony. So much for "wherever" right? You might want to read this:http://le.nra.org/leosa/off-limit-areas.aspx and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_En...A_Restrictions So in short, yeah, you can't carry "wherever".
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Tom, I also have a license from my state.
You cannot carry loaded, in your car a registered SBR in many places, you cannot cross state lines with an SBR without prior written permission from BATFE which specifies where you are going and for what purpose. You do not need to do that with a pistol. No need to take it to extremes, the fact is that carrying an SBR is more restrictive than carrying a pistol.
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I am pretty content to let the legal teams at SB Tactical and Sig sort this out for me. My braced pistols will stay exactly as purchased from the manufacturer. And I find them to be just fine as is. 9mm has minimal recoil so they shoot like a dream.
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Whereas Im researching how to fill out the paperwork to SBR a couple of my guns.
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No better step by step: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/W...ons/17-465636/
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Dogtown Tom,
It depends on the state. Some states have laws that make it illegal to carry loaded rifles or shotguns in vehicles. WA: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460 WI: http://dnr.wi.gov/emergency/document...wis_act_51.pdf MN: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd...ssfiretrns.pdf |
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https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form20 Keep telling yourself that it is just as easy to transport an NFA item as a pistol, it does not make it anymore truthful. Quote:
I see two very polarized camps, one says " Check it out AR pistol", The other feels a necessity to justify the extra expense of an SBR and say "AR pistols are just toys, no serious rifleman would such an abomination." Other than a buttstock the SBR has no benefit over the AR pistol, learn to properly and legally run the AR pistol and any benefit rapidly disappears. At current prices I can have an AR pistol in 2 calibers for less than 1 SBR, and no 1 year wait for paperwork. How many states do not allow citizens to own SBR's?
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AGAIN, citation please. When you make the claim that "many states" prohibit carrying a loaded SBR in your car you should have an idea of what "many states" you are talking about. Quote:
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You have yet to provide a single citation that shows such. If it's "many states" surely you can come up with a dozen or so?
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I'm glad the pistols work for you, I don't have the skill nor the inclination to take the time training with a pistol to the same proficiency I have with a stock. And don't take that as sarcasm, I'm genuinely happy it works for you, and for those who like the braces as well. I may seem a fool to you, but in my circumstances a stamp and a stock work best for me.
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Dogtown Tom, if a state prohibits carrying any kind of loaded rifle in a car, SBRs would be included (unless their law defines "rifle" as not including NFA firearms). I'm not sure why you are trying to be so picky about this. If I cannot carry a rifle, then I cannot carry a short-barreled rifle.
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Here, even you might find something with GOOGLE. https://www.google.com/search?q=load...utf-8&oe=utf-8
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But that isn't Nanuks claim. He believes SBR's are specifically prohibited that "You cannot carry loaded, in your car a registered SBR in many places"..........I want to know where, yet he refuses to provide a citation. Probably because he doesn't have one. He started posting about his supposed ability to carry his AR pistol anywhere without permission and I told him why that wasn't true, now he's inventing laws about SBR's. While it possible that there are some states that prohibit transporting any loaded firearm in your car, I'll bet that applies to equally to rifles, shotguns, pistols and SBR's...........not specifically only SBR's. Quote:
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http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd...ssfiretrns.pdf Doesn't say A DARN THING ABOUT SBR'S.......but prohibits transporting ANY loaded firearm INCLUDING a handgun without a MN license!!!! Same with the SECOND The THIRD?........has to do with HUNTING ONLY! If you aren't hunting that citation doesn't apply. You should know that being an ex LEO. Oh, and the FIFTH result?.............Arkansas doesn't prohibit transporting a loaded firearm including an SBR in your car. Sometimes Google is your friend and sometimes Google isn't.
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Tom, an SBR ( SHORT BARRELED RIFLE) is a RIFLE.....It belongs in that classification, A pistol is not a RIFLE......Anywhere you cannot carry a loaded RIFLE you cannot carry a loaded SBR. I already gave you a retraction, I said I miss spoke, I guess you just want to argue about nothing.
I am not pulling laws from nothing, I originally used the term SBR, when I suppose I should have used rifle so that you could more clearly understand.
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