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February 18, 2019, 03:00 PM | #1 |
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Man Pulls Gun on Sam’s Club Customer.
In Tennessee, a concealed handgun license holder flipped off a man over a political message on his clothing. He then drew his concealed handgun and stuck it in the man’s face. So this man, who judging by his grey hair, has managed to go most of his life without any kind of serious criminal charges, decided to throw his freedom away over the most ridiculous of causes.
https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Ma...505971901.html From a tactics standpoint, he also failed to get the reaction he was seeking. The intended victim was not only not terrified; but pursued his attacker into the parking lot as he attempted to flee. Notably, his attacker tried to claim justifiable self defense and the video seemed to back up his story at first; but eyewitness testimony ended up in his arrest. |
February 18, 2019, 03:24 PM | #2 |
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As Bugs would say :"What a MAROON!"
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February 18, 2019, 03:32 PM | #3 |
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Apparently the cameras have blind spots in them just from reading the article and we are getting half of the story or, for those believe there are actually three sides (yours, mine, and the truth), a third of it. I'll wait for the rest of the story
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I used the word quite often as a kid from hearing it on the cartoons but sometime in the 90s I was cautioned about its historical meaning Just food for thought
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February 18, 2019, 04:39 PM | #5 |
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Guns are not talismans and clearly there is a training or lack of training issue which needs addressing. This is the jackassery that leads to gun buster signs.
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Seriously? I'm pretty sure Bugs was just mispronouncing "moron" I've never heard of any other historical meaning. (I will look it up but I am skeptical)
Edit: Cimarrón?
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February 18, 2019, 05:53 PM | #8 |
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I am not suggesting that bugs bunny is racial but based on the climate of current times, I was simply bringing its historical meaning to light. You can look it up, its not hard to find.
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February 18, 2019, 06:03 PM | #9 |
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That is sort of the lazy argument to tell people it is easy to find, then not provide a reference for proof. Let me help you...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_(people) However, just because the word can have a racial meaning does not mean it is being used racially. Obviously, there is no reference here to runaway slaves. Here also is the BB reference... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maroon A term of derision often uttered by Bugs Bunny when referring to an interaction with a dopey adversary. It is a mispronunciation of the word "Moron"
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Lazy? really... it took 3 seconds https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maroon
again for those who may have missed it. This has nothing to do with bugs bunny, I was simply offering that the word has a meaning relating to slavery. Take it for what its worth or don't. My intent was to merely help someone avoid having someone make the accusation.
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Moronand Maroon. Two completely different words. Its like saying someone has a "Niggardly" way of doing things. It has nothing to do with our darker brothers.
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Boy, you guys really have nothing better to do? Guess I am one of a few that used to love watching Bugs, Daffy and the rest.
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Back to the OP . . .
Back to the OP . . . Wow. How incredibly stupid can a person be. This guy needs to have his second amendment right removed.
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^^^^^ This.
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That dude is lucky. Not all of us are receptive to guns in our faces.
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February 18, 2019, 11:33 PM | #16 |
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Who follows an armed person out into the parking lot after having a gun shoved in his face?
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February 18, 2019, 11:40 PM | #17 |
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I can't say I would have shown the same restraint if someone stuck a gun in my face. I'm not trying to sound like I'm Chuck Norris, but I would have put that guy on the floor, if not in a body bag. Then again, I don't advertise my political beliefs or my (likely) armed status with clothing or decals.
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I understand that -- I guess it strikes me that the victim in this scenario (if indeed he's the victim, as it seems there's some gaps in the account?) could have quickly lost his victim status by following his would-be gunman out into the parking lot when he clearly did not need to. Maybe he wanted to snap a photo of him, maybe he was packing too and wanted to make a point, or maybe he would have just got himself shot.
Legally I'm not sure how that would go -- man gets gun shoved in face (innocent victim in immediate jeopardy) -- threat removes itself (no more jeopardy) -- man follows the threat into a parking lot and ends up back in jeopardy (now he's contributed to the escalation of the problem) -- let's say man now shoots the threat in self defense, that would never have been needed had he called the cops and stayed put in Sam's Club next to the 25 gallon drum of peanut butter. Seems like both sides were doing dumb stuff. But I make no claims to intelligence of my own! |
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FWIW. According to the officially accepted levine and marks 1928 IQ scale Moron was an accepted description of what we now refer to as extremely or very low.
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Let whoever wants to re-write history and common sense foolishly do so but the facts clearly suggest it to be race baiting. The guy is obviously suffering from some sort of dementia, or is within the 'dull or borderline' range, probably not a 'maroon' per bugs bunny. If the truth matters to a person, they will search out the truth not in obscure and non-contextual sources, but will go right to the context and search for explanations that fit the situation, not explanations that fit the desired narrative.
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And the real tragedy for everyone is that a key anti-CCW argument is -- basically -- ordinary people are too stupid and untrained to be trusted to carry guns. All the favorable statistics and reasonable 2A arguments are quickly forgotten when some jack-dope pulls his gun on someone's hat, or someone shoots his foot off in a grocery store cuz he's carrying a loaded gun in the waistband of his sweatpants with no holster.
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It sounds like there were two hotheads, neither suited for polite society. Pierce, the "victim," is even quoted as saying that he went out into the parking lot "to confront him again," after challenging an armed man to either shoot him or engage in a fist fight. Sheesh.
I thought maroon was a color. I hadn't come across the term as an escaped slave or their descendant until today. |
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Bugs was right, what a maroon.
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If the guy actually pulled his handgun and threatened the guy (regardless of his non-physical response), I can't see this guy retaining his CCW permit. I'm not one to say he's a Red Flag case, but he definitely abused his right to CCW in public if the facts bear it out. More to the point of Pierce, the victim. While he didn't back down, he was pretty antagonistic. At some point you just avoid and call security, it would have been a pretty easy situation to diffuse. It's not always about our right of "freedom of expression", we, unfortunately have to deal with some pretty unstable people in society and avoiding conflict is an important training aspect for any gunowner (not that Pierce was CCW, but was a simply the target of a mentally unstable guy). ROCK6 |
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