crackdown on border state firearm sales

youngunz4life · July 12, 2011, 04:58 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/rif...html?hpt=hp_t2

OK, so is this just? If not, does it make sense and/or are there pro-gun TFL members who have no problem with this for the "greater good"? The article is interesting to say the least, and the NRA has obviously made their stance on the issue a priority. I personally don't like how some people are trashing the NRA over their lawsuit. I would like people's opinions on this issue...

Maxem0815 · July 12, 2011, 05:30 AM

I believe that this is another step to "National Registration", a violation of the law. But the 1968 GCA was modeled after the 1930's German law by the late Senator Dood (D CT). A ill conceived idea and a prelude to total control decades later.

Mace

Musketeer · July 12, 2011, 06:03 AM

Given the interest in stemming the flow of arms to Mexico and cracking down on straw buyers I would not be worried EXCEPT that this is the same group stonewalling Congress and being caught in lie after lie connected with Fast and Furious / Gunrunner.

I think before they even give the indication of looking at leg sales they need to get their own house in order first. I do not trust them now and there is no evidence suggesting I should.

Patriot86 · July 12, 2011, 07:41 AM

Interesting read and one step closer to national confiscation.
Another thing, before reading several articles on this subject I didn’t realize that they report people who buy more than two handguns in 5 days to the ATF. Though it is not clairified if that is just in these states, or nationally.
I guess I better wait 6 days between handgun purchases to be on the safe side unless I want to end up on "the list".

ltc444 · July 12, 2011, 10:45 PM

This action is being justified by the gunrunner fiasco and the bogus claim that smuggled fire arms from the US are the major source of guns in Mexico.

It will be expanded to other portions of the country until it becomes a national policy.

csmsss · July 12, 2011, 10:46 PM

You have to admire the sheer chutzpah. BATFE lawlessness is being used to rationalize/bootstrap FURTHER BATFE lawlessness. What brass ones!

Bartholomew Roberts · July 13, 2011, 09:24 AM

There is a discussion of this issue - and its lack of Congressional authorization as required by law, in this thread:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...=456275&page=3

On another interesting note, I notice that the CNN article reports that the multiple sales requirement for long guns was proposed on December 17, 2010 - or exactly two days after the Washington Post ran a story naming which gun shops had the most guns traced to them from Mexico. In a particularly interesting note, the Post doesn't say how it obtained that information, which could only come from the ATF. However, the Tiarht Amendment prevents the ATF from legally sharing that information with the Washington Post. So either the Post obtained the info illegally from the ATF or the ATF illegally leaked the info to the Post.

Not suprisingly, the gun shops being used by ATF for Fast and Furious were number 1 and number 2 on that list. And several Houston-area gun stores being used by ATF were also on the list (Carter's Country). So at the same time ATF was directing these FFLs to sell semi-automatic rifles to known straw purchasers, they were also illegally leaking the names of these FFLs to the Washington Post as sources of crime guns.

And then two days after the Washington Post does their story, they release this proposed regulation.

How thoughtful of CNN to release that timeline in support of the idea that "the proposal predates disclousre of Fast and Furious."

Glenn E. Meyer · July 13, 2011, 10:22 AM

See the thread Mr. Roberts linked to and continue it there, please.

Glenn

July 12, 2011, 04:58 AM	#1
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	crackdown on border state firearm sales http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/rif...html?hpt=hp_t2 OK, so is this just? If not, does it make sense and/or are there pro-gun TFL members who have no problem with this for the "greater good"? The article is interesting to say the least, and the NRA has obviously made their stance on the issue a priority. I personally don't like how some people are trashing the NRA over their lawsuit. I would like people's opinions on this issue... __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

July 12, 2011, 06:03 AM	#3
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2005 Posts: 3,733	Given the interest in stemming the flow of arms to Mexico and cracking down on straw buyers I would not be worried EXCEPT that this is the same group stonewalling Congress and being caught in lie after lie connected with Fast and Furious / Gunrunner. I think before they even give the indication of looking at leg sales they need to get their own house in order first. I do not trust them now and there is no evidence suggesting I should. __________________ "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

July 13, 2011, 10:22 AM	#8
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	See the thread Mr. Roberts linked to and continue it there, please. Glenn __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

July 12, 2011, 05:30 AM	#2
Maxem0815 Junior member Join Date: May 23, 2011 Posts: 216	I believe that this is another step to "National Registration", a violation of the law. But the 1968 GCA was modeled after the 1930's German law by the late Senator Dood (D CT). A ill conceived idea and a prelude to total control decades later. Mace

July 12, 2011, 07:41 AM	#4
Patriot86 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,293	Interesting read and one step closer to national confiscation. Another thing, before reading several articles on this subject I didn’t realize that they report people who buy more than two handguns in 5 days to the ATF. Though it is not clairified if that is just in these states, or nationally. I guess I better wait 6 days between handgun purchases to be on the safe side unless I want to end up on "the list".

July 12, 2011, 10:45 PM	#5
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	This action is being justified by the gunrunner fiasco and the bogus claim that smuggled fire arms from the US are the major source of guns in Mexico. It will be expanded to other portions of the country until it becomes a national policy.

July 12, 2011, 10:46 PM	#6
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	You have to admire the sheer chutzpah. BATFE lawlessness is being used to rationalize/bootstrap FURTHER BATFE lawlessness. What brass ones!

July 13, 2011, 09:24 AM	#7
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	There is a discussion of this issue - and its lack of Congressional authorization as required by law, in this thread: http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...=456275&page=3 On another interesting note, I notice that the CNN article reports that the multiple sales requirement for long guns was proposed on December 17, 2010 - or exactly two days after the Washington Post ran a story naming which gun shops had the most guns traced to them from Mexico. In a particularly interesting note, the Post doesn't say how it obtained that information, which could only come from the ATF. However, the Tiarht Amendment prevents the ATF from legally sharing that information with the Washington Post. So either the Post obtained the info illegally from the ATF or the ATF illegally leaked the info to the Post. Not suprisingly, the gun shops being used by ATF for Fast and Furious were number 1 and number 2 on that list. And several Houston-area gun stores being used by ATF were also on the list (Carter's Country). So at the same time ATF was directing these FFLs to sell semi-automatic rifles to known straw purchasers, they were also illegally leaking the names of these FFLs to the Washington Post as sources of crime guns. And then two days after the Washington Post does their story, they release this proposed regulation. How thoughtful of CNN to release that timeline in support of the idea that "the proposal predates disclousre of Fast and Furious."