Powdercoating update.... now cheaper!! - Page 5

guncheese · June 10, 2014, 06:45 PM

got them in the mail today
shake and bake!!

Beagle333 · June 10, 2014, 06:48 PM

Oh yeah! You musta got the sampler pack! NICE!!!!

Them babies are smoooooth.

skizzums · June 12, 2014, 10:44 PM

this is my saturday project, i shot some aloxed 230-309 through the new 300blk yesterday and leaded it up something terrible, probably spent a good two hours chipping lead off everything today, never again

Beagle333 · June 13, 2014, 04:16 AM

Delmar O'Donnell: "C'mon in boys, the water is fine."

skizzums · June 13, 2014, 06:44 AM

i see you doing your own copper plating in the future

Beagle333 · June 13, 2014, 08:32 AM

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i see you doing your own copper plating in the future

Hmmmmm..... How many colors does copper come in?

skizzums · June 14, 2014, 05:43 PM

alright got all the "stuff", was pleased to see that HF pc was only 5$, was displeased that the airsoft BB's are 3x that much(same cost as a new toaster oven). guess my boy is getting an airsoft next week.

now I just need to get off the couch and cast some 230's. hope this works.

skizzums · June 14, 2014, 07:51 PM

They are cooking right this minute, and all my rifle bullets fell over onto their side.

Not a good start

update: they are actually not too bad, they coating is visually uneven, but feels pretty smooth
they are totally encapsulated, which is the goal right? i dont care too much about the appearance, i just cant run alox in the 300BLK
i think i had too many BBs for one, and i cant help but think the humidity outside was working againt me as well, but i am satisfied nonetheless

Beagle333 · June 14, 2014, 10:15 PM

You might try one of the ideas shown here to keep em standing and it'll improve the coverage if you can.

clicky for idea link

skizzums · June 14, 2014, 10:20 PM

i tried the washers, thats what they were initially stood up on, i think i will just use nuts and stand the bullet nose up, i dont care if the nose gets a ring around it, those 230gr have a beveled base that makes real hard to keep stable

Beagle333 · June 14, 2014, 10:31 PM

Those tall skinny ones can be a pain. I don't do any like that, but I see guys working on the problem quite often. I don't know if anybody has figured that out easily. There are racks and pins and nails and all sorts of tricks for those that won't stand on their own. Maybe those need regular lube, since it's such a pain to stand them up. I don't know, since I don't shoot 300blk.

skizzums · June 14, 2014, 11:07 PM

Being on its side really doesn't seem like it would effect the function of the coating. If i cant easily get them to stand, i just wont bother

FrankenMauser · June 15, 2014, 12:32 AM

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Those tall skinny ones can be a pain. I don't do any like that, but I see guys working on the problem quite often. I don't know if anybody has figured that out easily. There are racks and pins and nails and all sorts of tricks for those that won't stand on their own. Maybe those need regular lube, since it's such a pain to stand them up. I don't know, since I don't shoot 300blk.

The guys that use Hi-Tek say they don't have a problem. - Bake on a screen, and they aren't really supposed to adhere.

I have no actual experience yet, but I do have some 'Black Cherry' waiting for a convection toaster oven and a fresh batch of bullets...

Beagle333 · June 15, 2014, 07:30 AM

I got a convection toaster yesterday. (thanks Craigslist!) and I'm working on wiring up my PID to it now. And I have a bottle of Brick Red Hi-Tek that I'm going to try out as soon as I get the oven ready, and get this 1/4" hardware cloth fashioned into some racks.

And if some are wondering why I am trying out Hi-Tek when PC is working so well for me... it's so I won't have to stand the bullets up after coating.
With Hi-Tek, after the bullets are shaken in the coating and spread to dry, you just toss them into a wire basket like a pan full of chestnuts roasting and bake away. (requires two coats though)

(or that's what I have read.... I have not tried this for myself, .... so don't say I recommend this stuff yet.)

I don't think it'll replace PC, but it's just another way to get em down the barrel cleanly and I like to have options.

Beagle333 · June 15, 2014, 07:35 AM

Skizzums, those don't look too bad from the photos. And if they shoot well, that's perfect! I made some really ugly bullets back when I was wet tumbling, but they shot great... exactly like the pretty ones that were sprayed. So I don't think 100% perfection in the coating is necessary if you aren't going for that really long shot. And you will develop better and smoother techniques as you go. That's what, the second batch? Pretty good, I say!

Beagle333 · June 15, 2014, 10:38 PM

I got my $30 convection oven now. It has two racks, 12x15", and all it needs is two flat pieces of aluminum (or stop signs

) and it's ready to bake a bunch of coatings at once!

These pics were before I cleaned it up this afternoon, and now it's even better looking. I am going to have a hard time committing this one to plastic fumes! This one looks better than the oven I'm using!!! (except mine has 4 burners on top)
I need one that is bent, cracked, rusted and has a knob missing, to use as a backyard boolit cooker!

A pause for the COZ · June 17, 2014, 12:12 AM

I had made up a mesh basket for my 223 stuff, Works well enough. I dont even notice any undue lines or anything else. Its galvanized and maybe that helps keep the PCing off of it while in the oven.
Dont know for sure, but sounds good any way.

Dont see why that wont work for any others. I may even try just dumping the bullets and powder mix into the mesh and let the BB's and powder fall through just leaving the bullets. I may have to buy some mesh that is slightly bigger to allow the BB's to drop through and leave my bullets. Worth a try though.
Would save some picking with the tweezers.

Beagle333 · June 17, 2014, 04:35 AM

I'm glad the mesh is working. That's encouraging. Dumping through the mesh sounds like it might leave a ridge of powder along each line of screen though and I don't know if you can tap it hard enough to get the powder to fall off the wire without de-coating the bullets significantly. There's gotta be a better way than standing the skinny rifle bullets up though. I hope this might be it!

skizzums · June 17, 2014, 10:40 AM

that was the first attemt, i tried my second last night, took out half the BBs and had much better results this time

Beagle333 · June 17, 2014, 12:05 PM

Those do look good. Are you baking on foil, parchment, or the hardware cloth?

skizzums · June 17, 2014, 12:31 PM

just the stick-free foil on their side

hope these work out, dont wanna have to buy bullets for this thing

the pretty ones up front are the new ones, the uglies in the back are the first try

serf 'rett · June 18, 2014, 11:48 AM

I’ve been following this thread with some interest. I don’t cast (yet) but wonder if the powder coating would be a way to use lead bullets in polygonal barrels. I've got a 40S&W with a poly barrel and might like to use lead bullets in it.

Anybody using powder coated bullets in a polygonal barrel?

Is there any leading or buildup?

Beagle333 · June 18, 2014, 12:15 PM

I don't shoot any polygonal barrels... but here's couple of threads on it. And there are more under the "Coatings and Alternatives" heading.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ight=polygonal

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ighlight=glock

skizzums · June 18, 2014, 05:17 PM

beagle, beagle, beagle, i could KISS you right now, seriously

went out and put 99rounds through the 300 today, NO lead, not even a speck, i wish i had took pics of the ALOX shoot, it was liquified everywhere

also, i am a little angry at the internet today, i only had lil gun and h110 and the 230gr cast bullets, i swear i read a hundred posts on every AR15 and 300BLK forum with people stomping their feet in disgust at ppl askking about h110 in subsonicBLK loads; YOU CANNOT USE H110 IN SUBSONIC 300BLK AR LOADS!!!!! IT WILL NOT CYCLE THE BOLT!!!! ONLY BOLT ACTION!!!i saw it over and over and over

were all these people just regurgitating what the last guy was saying?? did no-one acually try it?? cause it not only worked, it worked perfectly and out of a 8in barrel and even locked the bolt back on the empty mag, whatever, sorry to rant, so annoying sometimes(the internet), maybe it was just HF miracle coating that made it work

anyways, back to the powder coat, i was shooting as fast as my bony little fingers could pull the trigger to test the gun, i am astonished of the difference between last time, thank you for all the guys before me that did all that redneck engineering for me

hard to tell in the pics, but no lead, shooting 230gr 50/50 alloy with 2-3%tin, H-110 @ 9,6gr

Beagle333 · June 18, 2014, 06:45 PM

Woohoo! I'm glad for you! And I'm glad you're in GA!

ha ha.

I don't know anything about 300blk shooting, but I do know that many folks are happy with PC and clean shooting bullets, and they are learning the little fine adjustments that let the PC protect the barrel and also provide the level of accuracy they want out of it.

It's easy and it's cheap and IMHO it beats the heck outta pan lube and tumbling Alox.

June 10, 2014, 06:45 PM	#101
guncheese Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2013 Posts: 128	new colors today got them in the mail today shake and bake!!

June 10, 2014, 06:48 PM	#102
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Oh yeah! You musta got the sampler pack! NICE!!!! Them babies are smoooooth. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 12, 2014, 10:44 PM	#103
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	this is my saturday project, i shot some aloxed 230-309 through the new 300blk yesterday and leaded it up something terrible, probably spent a good two hours chipping lead off everything today, never again __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 13, 2014, 04:16 AM	#104
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Wanna learn to PC? Delmar O'Donnell: "C'mon in boys, the water is fine." __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 13, 2014, 06:44 AM	#105
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	i see you doing your own copper plating in the future __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 14, 2014, 05:43 PM	#107
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	alright got all the "stuff", was pleased to see that HF pc was only 5$, was displeased that the airsoft BB's are 3x that much(same cost as a new toaster oven). guess my boy is getting an airsoft next week. now I just need to get off the couch and cast some 230's. hope this works. __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 14, 2014, 07:51 PM	#108
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	They are cooking right this minute, and all my rifle bullets fell over onto their side. Not a good start update: they are actually not too bad, they coating is visually uneven, but feels pretty smooth they are totally encapsulated, which is the goal right? i dont care too much about the appearance, i just cant run alox in the 300BLK i think i had too many BBs for one, and i cant help but think the humidity outside was working againt me as well, but i am satisfied nonetheless __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed Last edited by skizzums; June 14, 2014 at 09:56 PM.

June 14, 2014, 10:15 PM	#109
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	You might try one of the ideas shown here to keep em standing and it'll improve the coverage if you can. clicky for idea link __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 14, 2014, 10:20 PM	#110
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	i tried the washers, thats what they were initially stood up on, i think i will just use nuts and stand the bullet nose up, i dont care if the nose gets a ring around it, those 230gr have a beveled base that makes real hard to keep stable __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 14, 2014, 10:31 PM	#111
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Those tall skinny ones can be a pain. I don't do any like that, but I see guys working on the problem quite often. I don't know if anybody has figured that out easily. There are racks and pins and nails and all sorts of tricks for those that won't stand on their own. Maybe those need regular lube, since it's such a pain to stand them up. I don't know, since I don't shoot 300blk. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 14, 2014, 11:07 PM	#112
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	Being on its side really doesn't seem like it would effect the function of the coating. If i cant easily get them to stand, i just wont bother __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 15, 2014, 07:30 AM	#114
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	I got a convection toaster yesterday. (thanks Craigslist!) and I'm working on wiring up my PID to it now. And I have a bottle of Brick Red Hi-Tek that I'm going to try out as soon as I get the oven ready, and get this 1/4" hardware cloth fashioned into some racks. And if some are wondering why I am trying out Hi-Tek when PC is working so well for me... it's so I won't have to stand the bullets up after coating. With Hi-Tek, after the bullets are shaken in the coating and spread to dry, you just toss them into a wire basket like a pan full of chestnuts roasting and bake away. (requires two coats though) (or that's what I have read.... I have not tried this for myself, .... so don't say I recommend this stuff yet.) I don't think it'll replace PC, but it's just another way to get em down the barrel cleanly and I like to have options. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 15, 2014, 07:35 AM	#115
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Skizzums, those don't look too bad from the photos. And if they shoot well, that's perfect! I made some really ugly bullets back when I was wet tumbling, but they shot great... exactly like the pretty ones that were sprayed. So I don't think 100% perfection in the coating is necessary if you aren't going for that really long shot. And you will develop better and smoother techniques as you go. That's what, the second batch? Pretty good, I say! __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 15, 2014, 10:38 PM	#116
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	I got my $30 convection oven now. It has two racks, 12x15", and all it needs is two flat pieces of aluminum (or stop signs) and it's ready to bake a bunch of coatings at once! These pics were before I cleaned it up this afternoon, and now it's even better looking. I am going to have a hard time committing this one to plastic fumes! This one looks better than the oven I'm using!!! (except mine has 4 burners on top) I need one that is bent, cracked, rusted and has a knob missing, to use as a backyard boolit cooker! __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 17, 2014, 12:12 AM	#117
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	I had made up a mesh basket for my 223 stuff, Works well enough. I dont even notice any undue lines or anything else. Its galvanized and maybe that helps keep the PCing off of it while in the oven. Dont know for sure, but sounds good any way. Dont see why that wont work for any others. I may even try just dumping the bullets and powder mix into the mesh and let the BB's and powder fall through just leaving the bullets. I may have to buy some mesh that is slightly bigger to allow the BB's to drop through and leave my bullets. Worth a try though. Would save some picking with the tweezers.

June 17, 2014, 04:35 AM	#118
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	I'm glad the mesh is working. That's encouraging. Dumping through the mesh sounds like it might leave a ridge of powder along each line of screen though and I don't know if you can tap it hard enough to get the powder to fall off the wire without de-coating the bullets significantly. There's gotta be a better way than standing the skinny rifle bullets up though. I hope this might be it! __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 17, 2014, 10:40 AM	#119
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	that was the first attemt, i tried my second last night, took out half the BBs and had much better results this time __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 17, 2014, 12:05 PM	#120
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Skizzums Those do look good. Are you baking on foil, parchment, or the hardware cloth? __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 17, 2014, 12:31 PM	#121
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	just the stick-free foil on their side hope these work out, dont wanna have to buy bullets for this thing the pretty ones up front are the new ones, the uglies in the back are the first try __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 18, 2014, 11:48 AM	#122
serf 'rett Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: Stuttgart, AR Posts: 1,569	I’ve been following this thread with some interest. I don’t cast (yet) but wonder if the powder coating would be a way to use lead bullets in polygonal barrels. I've got a 40S&W with a poly barrel and might like to use lead bullets in it. Anybody using powder coated bullets in a polygonal barrel? Is there any leading or buildup? __________________ A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

June 18, 2014, 12:15 PM	#123
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	I don't shoot any polygonal barrels... but here's couple of threads on it. And there are more under the "Coatings and Alternatives" heading. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ight=polygonal http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ighlight=glock __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.

June 18, 2014, 05:17 PM	#124
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	beagle, beagle, beagle, i could KISS you right now, seriously went out and put 99rounds through the 300 today, NO lead, not even a speck, i wish i had took pics of the ALOX shoot, it was liquified everywhere also, i am a little angry at the internet today, i only had lil gun and h110 and the 230gr cast bullets, i swear i read a hundred posts on every AR15 and 300BLK forum with people stomping their feet in disgust at ppl askking about h110 in subsonicBLK loads; YOU CANNOT USE H110 IN SUBSONIC 300BLK AR LOADS!!!!! IT WILL NOT CYCLE THE BOLT!!!! ONLY BOLT ACTION!!!i saw it over and over and over were all these people just regurgitating what the last guy was saying?? did no-one acually try it?? cause it not only worked, it worked perfectly and out of a 8in barrel and even locked the bolt back on the empty mag, whatever, sorry to rant, so annoying sometimes(the internet), maybe it was just HF miracle coating that made it work anyways, back to the powder coat, i was shooting as fast as my bony little fingers could pull the trigger to test the gun, i am astonished of the difference between last time, thank you for all the guys before me that did all that redneck engineering for me hard to tell in the pics, but no lead, shooting 230gr 50/50 alloy with 2-3%tin, H-110 @ 9,6gr __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

June 18, 2014, 06:45 PM	#125
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	Woohoo! I'm glad for you! And I'm glad you're in GA! ha ha. I don't know anything about 300blk shooting, but I do know that many folks are happy with PC and clean shooting bullets, and they are learning the little fine adjustments that let the PC protect the barrel and also provide the level of accuracy they want out of it. It's easy and it's cheap and IMHO it beats the heck outta pan lube and tumbling Alox. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile.