December 5, 2016, 08:53 PM | #1 |
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454 casull/45 colt dies
I'm getting a Taurus raging judge in the near future, and am starting to accumulate reloading supplies. From what I hear, freedom arms recommends separate dies(from what I've seen, only rcbs makes separate dies, and there's only a .001 difference). But, since I don't have a freedom arms, and since there's not much of a difference, does one really need separate dies?
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December 6, 2016, 12:34 AM | #2 |
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I thought that the Judge only shot .45 (long) Colt and not .454 Casull?
.454 Casull dies can load .45 Colt but not the other way around due to case length and cartridge over all length.
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December 6, 2016, 11:16 AM | #3 |
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The judge does only shoot the 45lc and 410. The RAGING judge MAGNUM adds the 454
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December 6, 2016, 02:59 PM | #4 |
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454 out of a judge? That's not gonna be fun.
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It ain't fun out of a Ruger super redhawk either. I have separate dies for my Redhawk. And yes, you do need them. A Lee factory crimp die handles either however.
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December 6, 2016, 06:22 PM | #6 |
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When I first bought my SW 460 XVR, I hadn't gotten dies for it yet but was dying to shoot it. So I used my RCBS Carbide 45 Colt Die set and made both 454 Casull, and 460 Magnum.
I later bought a set of carbide Redding dies for the 460/454 and you know what, I like the ammo loaded on the Colt dies better. The RCBS will full length resize the 454 and 460 no problems. YMMV. |
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Honestly... I can't wait. It's deffinetley not a gun I'll blast through 50 rounds of ammo in in a sitting(I'll probably shoot a cylinder a day at least) it's a "walking through the woods.... OH S***!! CHARGING GRIZZ!! gun. But at around 5 pounds naked, and a 6 inch barrel, I'm sure it will be manageable
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Like 38 special/357magnum and 44 special/44 magnum are to each other, 45 colt is to 454 casull. Where you can have a problem is sizing LONGER cases with SHORTER dies. But in the case of the RCBS 45 Colt dies, I am able to full length size 454 and 460 S&W mag with the 45 COLT dies. And of course, seating and crimping the LONGER cartridge with the SHORTER die is not an issue at all. Last edited by disseminator; December 10, 2016 at 03:43 PM. |
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The real issue has nothing to do with the bullet seating plug - AFAIK, ALL dies have sufficiently long seating stems for sister calibers. the PROBLEM is that a die specifically made for a longer case generally CANNOT be properly adjusted to crimp the bullet in a shorter case - the crimping shelf is just too high in the seating die. And in the case of Lee dies, the powder-thru expander die must have the proper length expander plug for the shortest case.
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December 10, 2016, 08:46 PM | #11 |
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Yep, good point on the crimp die, though I haven't had any issues with any that I use.
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