Home Defense

Big_ted46 · December 5, 2005, 12:33 PM

Im looking for a reliable yet somewhat inexpensive 12 gauge for home security. Ive been looking at a mossberg model 500 persuader, and so far so good. Found a few of them brand new for $250, seems like a deal compared to the MSRP on mossberg's website, which is about $347 (one i found is even including the pistol grip kit

) Any comments or suggestions please let me know. thanks.

Glock35JHP · December 5, 2005, 12:55 PM

I have the Mossberg 500 20" barrel. It's my home security gun. I tried the pistol grip with slugs, buckshot, and birdshot. I could hit the paper but boy after a box or two of magnum loads I had a sore hand and put the stock on. Good gun in my opinion. Yeah that is a good price I paid $350 for mine.

craigntx · December 5, 2005, 01:01 PM

check the pawn shops

i found an 870 super mag for $150

also found a 20 in bbl for $55

Para Bellum · December 5, 2005, 02:44 PM

pumping and firing a follow-up acurately and fast requires a lot of training. Get a short double barrel ("coach gun / bounty hunter") like eg one of these:

what you can't handle/stop with two 12ga loads and a handgun at your side is uncontrollable.
doble-barrels can't malfunction like pump-guns or semi-autos
you can't forget to pump a double-barrel
follow-ups are extremely quick with a double-barrel
double-barrels take any ammo

consider that.

HappyGunner · December 5, 2005, 03:57 PM

I read in this forum that Mossberg uses a Non-Metal trigger and safety.This got me again looking at Remington's shotgun's I used to have a Rem.870 pump and sold it when I had a brain hicup anyway I found that I would now be better served with a Rem.11-87 semi-auto Police 12ga shotgun.
http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/1187.htm

Death from Afar · December 5, 2005, 05:11 PM

Parabellum has raised a good point. I kinda am inclined to think that an SBS is a better choice if you simply are never going to practice. If you plan to shoot it, get a pump action 12 bore and you will never look back.

Pistolenschutze · December 5, 2005, 07:41 PM

I had good luck with the Winchester 1300 pump. Very inexpensive and quite reliable for "close encounters of the personal kind."

eng2 · December 8, 2005, 09:29 PM

you can't go wrong with a 500. it's my home gun. their work horse's

ron73644 · December 9, 2005, 12:52 AM

That's non-metal trigger GUARD, and so do the comparable models of the 870.

XavierBreath · December 9, 2005, 01:15 AM

The Mossy 500 is my favorite, followed by the Winnie 1300. Check pawnshops. Mossberg 500s go for $100-140 used in most places, and they last forever.

106RR · December 9, 2005, 04:47 AM

Few people can hit with a pistol grip shotgun. Go with a major brand and a regular stock.
Remember the consequences to your family will be severe if you lose the fight so make sure you don't miss.

Samuel2001 · December 9, 2005, 06:37 AM

I dunno for a house/non-combat zone gun I would have no issues with having a plastic/synthetic/non-metal trigger guard. It's probably just going to sit in a corner or in the closet, and I dont think they mind.

Mossberg used to produce an entry level/price shottie based on the 500, but sold under the Maverick name. If you were to find a dealer that sold them they were a little cheaper than the 500. The only dif was that the 500 had dual bars and the MAverick had a single bar. Again in a gun that is going to be fiered once or twice a year it's a non-issue.

Someone has already mentioned PAWN SHOPS, they are a good place to find an entry level shottie for a song. My car gun is a Rem 870 that I picked up at a PS for under $150, and I've seen Mossbergs for around $120-140 too.

Good luck.

P.S.
Go shopping and if you find something weird or something you might like (Brand/Type) for home defence, come back and ask what we think. Ods are the guys and gals here are going to give you more than enough info for you to make an educated descision.

Samuel2001 · December 9, 2005, 06:41 AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention, STAY AWAY FROM PISTOL GRIP SHOTGUNS!
PG shotties are the most uncomfortable guns out there, they HURT and its pretty hard to aim 'em too.

antediluvianist · December 9, 2005, 07:25 AM

" Mossberg used to produce an entry level/price shottie based on the 500, but sold under the Maverick name. If you were to find a dealer that sold them they were a little cheaper than the 500. The only dif was that the 500 had dual bars and the MAverick had a single bar. Again in a gun that is going to be fiered once or twice a year it's a non-issue."

They still do (make the Maverick). Bought mine earlier this year and it came with dual bars so I guess they improved it.

Synthetic stock. A rather light shotgun, but for the occasional shooter, it is just fine.

Musketeer · December 9, 2005, 09:25 AM

I got a Remington 870 Express with an 18 1/2" barrel from The Sports Authority, new, for under $250. This was just a month ago. Stick with something reliable and know, especially if you are very rarely going to shoot it.

Gabby Hayes · December 12, 2005, 01:01 PM

Another vote for the Maverick Security 88 [ http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm ]. It's the budget version of Mossberg's Persuader Model 500, with parts made at the company's plant in Torreon, Mexico, and assembled across the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. The major difference between the Maverick and Mossberg is that the Mossberg has a safety mounted on the top rear of the receiver. The Maverick has a cross-bolt safety mounted in front of the trigger like the Remington 870. Some claim that the fit and finish on the Maverick isn't the same as on the Mossberg, but that's what you'd expect on a "budget" product. Mavericks list for $199 and routinely sell for $150 or less. The Mossberg Persuader 500 lists for $357 and sells for around $225 or less in many places. If cost is a big consideration, and you're not interested in impressing your friends with a looker, check out the Maverick.

oletymer · December 12, 2005, 04:40 PM

If you really want a home defense weapon, don't look for something cheap. It amazes me how many people look for the cheapest thing they can find to defend themselves and family. Buy a really good quality gun and forget pistol grips, heat shields and the other unnecessary crap. The bad guys won't care what the gun looks like. Only the police and a jury if you have to go to trial will care and look upon you as a nut in most cases.

December 5, 2005, 12:33 PM	#1
Big_ted46 Member Join Date: November 11, 2005 Posts: 53	Home Defense Im looking for a reliable yet somewhat inexpensive 12 gauge for home security. Ive been looking at a mossberg model 500 persuader, and so far so good. Found a few of them brand new for $250, seems like a deal compared to the MSRP on mossberg's website, which is about $347 (one i found is even including the pistol grip kit ) Any comments or suggestions please let me know. thanks.

December 5, 2005, 12:55 PM	#2
Glock35JHP Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Fairfax County, Virginia Posts: 89	I have the Mossberg 500 20" barrel. It's my home security gun. I tried the pistol grip with slugs, buckshot, and birdshot. I could hit the paper but boy after a box or two of magnum loads I had a sore hand and put the stock on. Good gun in my opinion. Yeah that is a good price I paid $350 for mine. __________________ "The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. HK USP.40 Sig P239.357Sig Mossberg 500 Cruiser Rock River Arms Standard A2

December 5, 2005, 01:01 PM	#3
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	get a used shotty check the pawn shops i found an 870 super mag for $150 also found a 20 in bbl for $55

December 5, 2005, 02:44 PM	#4
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	double barrel pumping and firing a follow-up acurately and fast requires a lot of training. Get a short double barrel ("coach gun / bounty hunter") like eg one of these: what you can't handle/stop with two 12ga loads and a handgun at your side is uncontrollable. doble-barrels can't malfunction like pump-guns or semi-autos you can't forget to pump a double-barrel follow-ups are extremely quick with a double-barrel double-barrels take any ammo consider that. __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

December 5, 2005, 03:57 PM	#5
HappyGunner Senior Member Join Date: September 18, 2004 Posts: 1,302	Non-Metal trigger and safety I read in this forum that Mossberg uses a Non-Metal trigger and safety.This got me again looking at Remington's shotgun's I used to have a Rem.870 pump and sold it when I had a brain hicup anyway I found that I would now be better served with a Rem.11-87 semi-auto Police 12ga shotgun. http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/1187.htm

December 5, 2005, 05:11 PM	#6
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Parabellum has raised a good point. I kinda am inclined to think that an SBS is a better choice if you simply are never going to practice. If you plan to shoot it, get a pump action 12 bore and you will never look back. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

December 5, 2005, 07:41 PM	#7
Pistolenschutze Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 243	I had good luck with the Winchester 1300 pump. Very inexpensive and quite reliable for "close encounters of the personal kind." __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter) Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt, tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults.)

December 8, 2005, 09:29 PM	#8
eng2 Member Join Date: December 2, 2005 Location: mass Posts: 36	you can't go wrong with a 500. it's my home gun. their work horse's

December 9, 2005, 12:52 AM	#9
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141	HappyGunner That's non-metal trigger GUARD, and so do the comparable models of the 870.

December 9, 2005, 01:15 AM	#10
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	The Mossy 500 is my favorite, followed by the Winnie 1300. Check pawnshops. Mossberg 500s go for $100-140 used in most places, and they last forever. __________________ Xavier's Blog

December 9, 2005, 04:47 AM	#11
106RR Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2002 Posts: 234	Few people can hit with a pistol grip shotgun. Go with a major brand and a regular stock. Remember the consequences to your family will be severe if you lose the fight so make sure you don't miss.

December 9, 2005, 06:37 AM	#12
Samuel2001 Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2001 Posts: 838	I dunno for a house/non-combat zone gun I would have no issues with having a plastic/synthetic/non-metal trigger guard. It's probably just going to sit in a corner or in the closet, and I dont think they mind. Mossberg used to produce an entry level/price shottie based on the 500, but sold under the Maverick name. If you were to find a dealer that sold them they were a little cheaper than the 500. The only dif was that the 500 had dual bars and the MAverick had a single bar. Again in a gun that is going to be fiered once or twice a year it's a non-issue. Someone has already mentioned PAWN SHOPS, they are a good place to find an entry level shottie for a song. My car gun is a Rem 870 that I picked up at a PS for under $150, and I've seen Mossbergs for around $120-140 too. Good luck. P.S. Go shopping and if you find something weird or something you might like (Brand/Type) for home defence, come back and ask what we think. Ods are the guys and gals here are going to give you more than enough info for you to make an educated descision. __________________ .45 ACP Because no matter how you try to rationalize it, 9mm is still for women and pansies. Build a bridge, and...GET OVER IT!

December 9, 2005, 06:41 AM	#13
Samuel2001 Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2001 Posts: 838	Oh, and I forgot to mention, STAY AWAY FROM PISTOL GRIP SHOTGUNS! PG shotties are the most uncomfortable guns out there, they HURT and its pretty hard to aim 'em too. __________________ .45 ACP Because no matter how you try to rationalize it, 9mm is still for women and pansies. Build a bridge, and...GET OVER IT!

December 9, 2005, 07:25 AM	#14
antediluvianist Member Join Date: May 25, 2004 Posts: 63	" Mossberg used to produce an entry level/price shottie based on the 500, but sold under the Maverick name. If you were to find a dealer that sold them they were a little cheaper than the 500. The only dif was that the 500 had dual bars and the MAverick had a single bar. Again in a gun that is going to be fiered once or twice a year it's a non-issue." They still do (make the Maverick). Bought mine earlier this year and it came with dual bars so I guess they improved it. Synthetic stock. A rather light shotgun, but for the occasional shooter, it is just fine.

December 9, 2005, 09:25 AM	#15
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2005 Posts: 3,733	I got a Remington 870 Express with an 18 1/2" barrel from The Sports Authority, new, for under $250. This was just a month ago. Stick with something reliable and know, especially if you are very rarely going to shoot it.

December 12, 2005, 01:01 PM	#16
Gabby Hayes Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 119	Another vote for the Maverick Security 88 [ http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm ]. It's the budget version of Mossberg's Persuader Model 500, with parts made at the company's plant in Torreon, Mexico, and assembled across the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. The major difference between the Maverick and Mossberg is that the Mossberg has a safety mounted on the top rear of the receiver. The Maverick has a cross-bolt safety mounted in front of the trigger like the Remington 870. Some claim that the fit and finish on the Maverick isn't the same as on the Mossberg, but that's what you'd expect on a "budget" product. Mavericks list for $199 and routinely sell for $150 or less. The Mossberg Persuader 500 lists for $357 and sells for around $225 or less in many places. If cost is a big consideration, and you're not interested in impressing your friends with a looker, check out the Maverick.

December 12, 2005, 04:40 PM	#17
oletymer Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Posts: 338	If you really want a home defense weapon, don't look for something cheap. It amazes me how many people look for the cheapest thing they can find to defend themselves and family. Buy a really good quality gun and forget pistol grips, heat shields and the other unnecessary crap. The bad guys won't care what the gun looks like. Only the police and a jury if you have to go to trial will care and look upon you as a nut in most cases.