Shooter killed in competition

C7AR15 · June 13, 2017, 01:21 PM

Sad news in the shooting world. A 50 year old man died over the weekend in a IPSC match in Kamloops BC.
The investigation continues, but it seems he had fumbled with his gun somewhat and was shot in the torso. He died later in the hospital.
In 40 years of shooting this is the first time I have heard of this happening. And I have shot IPSC , PPC and service pistol during that time.
Condolences to the family.
Be safe out there everybody.

JERRYS. · June 13, 2017, 01:39 PM

if a gun falls, let it drop to the ground; do not try to grab it.

Sequins · June 13, 2017, 02:01 PM

Especially if it's got a race gun trigger. How sad this is, I've also never heard of such a thing.

FrankenMauser · June 13, 2017, 03:02 PM

News article: Shooting range death.

Never outrun your skill.

Jim Watson · June 13, 2017, 03:28 PM

He was a Black Badge IROA instructor and a ranked shooter.
A reflex just overloaded his training.

DukeConnor · June 13, 2017, 04:58 PM

Terrible. God bless him and his family.

TJB101 · June 13, 2017, 05:13 PM

Very sad indeed

g.willikers · June 13, 2017, 06:50 PM

That's not the first time, but it is rare.
A gun just doesn't care, so we have to.

RickB · June 14, 2017, 10:30 AM

I spoke with a Canadian buddy, who shoots with a guy who knew Dr. Cho very well.

The stage in question involved shooting through a port with a "hatch", activated in a way that limited the amount of time available to engage targets through the port, and while my friend didn't come out and say the closing hatch knocked the gun out of the shooter's hand, he said the closing of the port did have "something to do with it"; not very specific, but I've shot stages with that type of prop, and could see how a swinging-door method of closing the port, if it involved something as heavy as a piece of plywood, could result in a considerable blow to a gun that was extended into the port.

Brit · June 14, 2017, 10:53 AM

Pushing the envelope! Pushing the clock. There should never be a hinged door. I was one of the 4 who developed the Black Badge Course in Ontario. Canada.

We pushed, actually fixated on safety. It was not a "Everybody passes first time program" We gave help to shooters who had problems, and retry by new Instructors.

Of course, most of the shooters who wanted to shoot from holsters, came from gun clubs, and had been shooting for years. Not like they were new to gun safety.

The Ontario Handgun Association were dead set against IPSC at first, till we invited members of the Board to participate, and we were off to the races.

Lots of Politics of course.

JoeSixpack · June 14, 2017, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRYS.

if a gun falls, let it drop to the ground; do not try to grab it.

+1, This is what I've been taught as well, although I have never tried to train my self not to react to a falling gun.

I can see how the urge to try and recover it would be overwhelming.. almost automatic.

I wonder if he started to drop the gun or if he fumbled with it somehow in his hand and it went off?

g.willikers · June 14, 2017, 03:33 PM

Unfortunately, this sounds like one of those times that match procedure contradicts training.
Shooting through a port or hatchway is more safely done with the muzzle well back and clear of it, not sticking into it.
Then a falling hatchway wouldn't hit the gun.

June 13, 2017, 01:21 PM	#1
C7AR15 Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2011 Location: Burnaby Posts: 260	Shooter killed in competition Sad news in the shooting world. A 50 year old man died over the weekend in a IPSC match in Kamloops BC. The investigation continues, but it seems he had fumbled with his gun somewhat and was shot in the torso. He died later in the hospital. In 40 years of shooting this is the first time I have heard of this happening. And I have shot IPSC , PPC and service pistol during that time. Condolences to the family. Be safe out there everybody. Last edited by C7AR15; June 13, 2017 at 04:23 PM.

June 13, 2017, 03:02 PM	#4
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	News article: Shooting range death. Never outrun your skill. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

June 13, 2017, 06:50 PM	#8
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	That's not the first time, but it is rare. A gun just doesn't care, so we have to. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

June 14, 2017, 10:30 AM	#9
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	I spoke with a Canadian buddy, who shoots with a guy who knew Dr. Cho very well. The stage in question involved shooting through a port with a "hatch", activated in a way that limited the amount of time available to engage targets through the port, and while my friend didn't come out and say the closing hatch knocked the gun out of the shooter's hand, he said the closing of the port did have "something to do with it"; not very specific, but I've shot stages with that type of prop, and could see how a swinging-door method of closing the port, if it involved something as heavy as a piece of plywood, could result in a considerable blow to a gun that was extended into the port. __________________ Runs off at the mouth about anything 1911 related on this site and half the time is flat out wrong.

June 14, 2017, 03:33 PM	#12
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Unfortunately, this sounds like one of those times that match procedure contradicts training. Shooting through a port or hatchway is more safely done with the muzzle well back and clear of it, not sticking into it. Then a falling hatchway wouldn't hit the gun. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

June 13, 2017, 01:39 PM	#2
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,969	if a gun falls, let it drop to the ground; do not try to grab it.

June 13, 2017, 02:01 PM	#3
Sequins Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2014 Posts: 394	Especially if it's got a race gun trigger. How sad this is, I've also never heard of such a thing.

June 13, 2017, 03:28 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	He was a Black Badge IROA instructor and a ranked shooter. A reflex just overloaded his training.

June 13, 2017, 04:58 PM	#6
DukeConnor Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2016 Posts: 224	Terrible. God bless him and his family.

June 13, 2017, 05:13 PM	#7
TJB101 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Posts: 498	Very sad indeed

June 14, 2017, 10:53 AM	#10
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Pushing the envelope! Pushing the clock. There should never be a hinged door. I was one of the 4 who developed the Black Badge Course in Ontario. Canada. We pushed, actually fixated on safety. It was not a "Everybody passes first time program" We gave help to shooters who had problems, and retry by new Instructors. Of course, most of the shooters who wanted to shoot from holsters, came from gun clubs, and had been shooting for years. Not like they were new to gun safety. The Ontario Handgun Association were dead set against IPSC at first, till we invited members of the Board to participate, and we were off to the races. Lots of Politics of course.