Need help ID'ing some old rimfires...

Remmy · February 5, 2007, 05:48 PM

Ive got a few old rimfires from an oldtimer that he wants me to refinish for him and just wanted to get as much info on them as I could as a the two pumps are in bad shape and missing a couple parts. If anyone has any good parts rescourse places other than egunparts please do tell. Im not totall sure on any of these guns but here is the scoop.
The remington looks very old and i know the model 12 was manufactured from 1909 to 1936 if this in fact the model 12C i believe it to be. It will not lock forward as i guess some springs are worn out. Both the stock and forarm are badly cracked. How hard would it bed to find just the stock and forarm itself if i chose to replace them? This was "bill's" gun as he carved his name in the stock.

And a couple more pics...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0932.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0933.jpg

The next is a savage bolt .22 also, missing the safety and is pretty rough overall. I have no clue as to what model this is, or really any thing else about the gun...

more pics...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0929.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0930.jpg

And the last I have grown to like already. It is a Stevens "crack shot" the model number must be 16 as i checked out egunparts...did not have a viewable schematics pic of the internals though. The trigger is very light...maybe a worn out spring? Any word on a for sure model number on this and the others would be much appreciated.

I dont know whether i should even bother refinishing/salvaging the savage or remington as i dont know how scarce parts are for either. And for the remington i figure it would be more valuable unfinished and just being hung on someones wall in its current state. Whats the rundown on the worth of these, I would say remington $200, savage <$100, and the crackshot would have to be between $100 and 200.

Bill DeShivs · February 5, 2007, 07:08 PM

I don't have any reference books with me, but that doesn't look like a Stevens Crackshot- they were lever-operated falling block actions. None of the guns look bad enough to refinish. I advise leaving the finishes alone. Springs rarely wear out, so there are possibly mechanical problems that will need to be addressed by a competent gunsmith.
Bill

Gbro · February 5, 2007, 08:18 PM

URL="http://http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976828176.aspx"]http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976828176.aspx[/URL][/URL]This is your gun although the seller dosn't seem to know the model of this gun.
The palmetto stamped on the side has nothing to do with the gun model.
Harley covers this in the next link.

It has your missing sling ring.

[URL="http://http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=583779&postcount=2"]http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=583779&postcount=2[/URL]

http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifie...976766405.aspx
This is a good lookalike.

Remmy · February 5, 2007, 11:44 PM

Bill: The gun is lever operated...here is one on gunbroker i found...its listed as a crackshot. Is he confused too?
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=65074650

Gbro: thanks for the links, maybe they will work tomorrow, every time i try them now, they time out and nothing comes up.

Bill DeShivs · February 6, 2007, 01:40 AM

I just checked. The later model Crackshots used the same lever action as the Favorite model. Yours is an original Crackshot.
BTW- "BGsubmarine" is a known purveyor of fake knives, though this gun looks OK.
Bill

CliveW · February 6, 2007, 08:20 PM

Remmy,

I have a Stevens *Crackshot* rolling block .22 just like the one you've shown. Only apparent difference is that mine has steel ring through the take-down screw. Pretty much the same condition too.

Don't have mine with me so I can't tell you much else except that I had a hard time identifying it too, because of the various other models of Crackshot. Be interested to know how old it is.

-Clive.

James K · February 10, 2007, 07:19 PM

Understandable confusion. There were two Steven actions called the "Crack Shot". The first, the one shown, is the one collectors call the "side lever Crack Shot" made from 1900 to 1913. The second, the under lever Crack Shot, was made from 1913 up to WWII and has been reproduced, so it is more familiar to most folks than the early model.

All of which does not help in obtaining parts, but may at least settle things down a bit.

Jim

rem33 · February 10, 2007, 07:50 PM

None of my business of course but I would leave that Crackshot the way it is.

Remmy · February 11, 2007, 10:37 AM

Thanks for all the help...im thinking im going to take the guns back to the man and inform him to not go through with getting them refinshed. Thanks for the help everyone.

February 5, 2007, 05:48 PM	#1
Remmy Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2001 Location: SC Posts: 188	Need help ID'ing some old rimfires... Ive got a few old rimfires from an oldtimer that he wants me to refinish for him and just wanted to get as much info on them as I could as a the two pumps are in bad shape and missing a couple parts. If anyone has any good parts rescourse places other than egunparts please do tell. Im not totall sure on any of these guns but here is the scoop. The remington looks very old and i know the model 12 was manufactured from 1909 to 1936 if this in fact the model 12C i believe it to be. It will not lock forward as i guess some springs are worn out. Both the stock and forarm are badly cracked. How hard would it bed to find just the stock and forarm itself if i chose to replace them? This was "bill's" gun as he carved his name in the stock. And a couple more pics... http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0932.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0933.jpg The next is a savage bolt .22 also, missing the safety and is pretty rough overall. I have no clue as to what model this is, or really any thing else about the gun... more pics... http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0929.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...1/IMG_0930.jpg And the last I have grown to like already. It is a Stevens "crack shot" the model number must be 16 as i checked out egunparts...did not have a viewable schematics pic of the internals though. The trigger is very light...maybe a worn out spring? Any word on a for sure model number on this and the others would be much appreciated. I dont know whether i should even bother refinishing/salvaging the savage or remington as i dont know how scarce parts are for either. And for the remington i figure it would be more valuable unfinished and just being hung on someones wall in its current state. Whats the rundown on the worth of these, I would say remington $200, savage <$100, and the crackshot would have to be between $100 and 200.

February 5, 2007, 08:18 PM	#3
Gbro Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,084	URL="http://http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976828176.aspx"]http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976828176.aspx[/URL][/URL]This is your gun although the seller dosn't seem to know the model of this gun. The palmetto stamped on the side has nothing to do with the gun model. Harley covers this in the next link. It has your missing sling ring. [URL="http://http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=583779&postcount=2"]http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=583779&postcount=2[/URL] http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifie...976766405.aspx This is a good lookalike. Last edited by Gbro; February 6, 2007 at 07:46 AM. Reason: had to be logged out of gunsa.. to do links

February 5, 2007, 07:08 PM	#2
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	I don't have any reference books with me, but that doesn't look like a Stevens Crackshot- they were lever-operated falling block actions. None of the guns look bad enough to refinish. I advise leaving the finishes alone. Springs rarely wear out, so there are possibly mechanical problems that will need to be addressed by a competent gunsmith. Bill

February 5, 2007, 11:44 PM	#4
Remmy Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2001 Location: SC Posts: 188	Bill: The gun is lever operated...here is one on gunbroker i found...its listed as a crackshot. Is he confused too? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=65074650 Gbro: thanks for the links, maybe they will work tomorrow, every time i try them now, they time out and nothing comes up.

February 6, 2007, 01:40 AM	#5
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	I just checked. The later model Crackshots used the same lever action as the Favorite model. Yours is an original Crackshot. BTW- "BGsubmarine" is a known purveyor of fake knives, though this gun looks OK. Bill

February 6, 2007, 08:20 PM	#6
CliveW Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 7	Remmy, I have a Stevens Crackshot rolling block .22 just like the one you've shown. Only apparent difference is that mine has steel ring through the take-down screw. Pretty much the same condition too. Don't have mine with me so I can't tell you much else except that I had a hard time identifying it too, because of the various other models of Crackshot. Be interested to know how old it is. -Clive.

February 10, 2007, 07:19 PM	#7
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Understandable confusion. There were two Steven actions called the "Crack Shot". The first, the one shown, is the one collectors call the "side lever Crack Shot" made from 1900 to 1913. The second, the under lever Crack Shot, was made from 1913 up to WWII and has been reproduced, so it is more familiar to most folks than the early model. All of which does not help in obtaining parts, but may at least settle things down a bit. Jim

February 10, 2007, 07:50 PM	#8
rem33 Junior member Join Date: March 31, 2006 Posts: 1,528	None of my business of course but I would leave that Crackshot the way it is.

February 11, 2007, 10:37 AM	#9
Remmy Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2001 Location: SC Posts: 188	Thanks for all the help...im thinking im going to take the guns back to the man and inform him to not go through with getting them refinshed. Thanks for the help everyone.