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January 30, 2008, 07:27 PM | #1 |
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1911 Build - Parts kit, specific parts?
Hey all,
Just got a decent deal on a 10mm conversion for a 1911. Instead of just using it on my current 1911, I was going to try and do a build with a used frame. I know 1911's well enough to clean them, and that's about it. I was probably just going to buy the parts individually from Brownells, but I wanted to know if there were kits that would save you the money from having bought them in bulk? Are there some parts that I might want to go higher-end on than others? Thanks for the input. |
January 30, 2008, 07:34 PM | #2 |
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You can get Rock Island parts and kits from Sarco. http://www.sarcoinc.com/cgm.html I figured it up awhile back at 265.00 to build a complete 1911 Government with their frame and slide kits.
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January 30, 2008, 07:59 PM | #3 |
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Awesome, thank you much - the kit for everything-but-the-slide-stop is exactly what I need, much cheaper than it would've been part-by-part.
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January 30, 2008, 10:03 PM | #4 |
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Just to clarify - you're planning on building a 1911 in 10mm, correct?
If so, be aware that you'll need quite a few caliber-specific small parts as a lot of parts designed with the .45 ACP cartridge in mind will not interchange with the 10mm. Outside of the barrel and magazines, you'll need an ejector, extractor, and slide stop built for the .40 S&W/10mm. A smaller firing pin may be good too, as it will reduce primer flow. You'll also need a slide whose ejection port is sized for the .40 S&W/10mm and you'll probably need to modify the feed ramp on the frame so that it will be compatible with the smaller bullet geometry. Caliber conversions on 1911's can be done but a lot of times it's not worth the added hassle. Caspian has a nice parts kit available that has every small part needed for a 1911. |
January 30, 2008, 10:43 PM | #5 |
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Thanks for the input. The build was inspired by a conversion kit I found a too-good-to-pass deal on, so I've got the whole upper-half essentially completed. I just need to build a "lower half" to fit it to, as I'd prefer to keep my .45 a dedicated .45 rather than switching slide assemblies in and out. My understanding right now is that the frame, and everything that goes "in" it when the pistol is field stripped, is totally interchangeable with the 10mm kit I have now.
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January 31, 2008, 09:19 AM | #6 |
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You received some very good info from pinotguy, buy the 40/10mm parts he suggested.
The topend you now have is the barrel a full ramped or standard barrel? Also check the radial lugs in the slide and on top of the barrel to make sure the gun did not have a breeching issue. I also check the radial lugs in all slides that I plan to use to see if they are in spec. If they are to far out of spec they will cause timing issues. Regards Bob Hunter www.huntercustoms.com |
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January 31, 2008, 02:24 PM | #8 |
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The frame itself is different. The 10mm feed ramp is shallower, and more like a Super than a .45. I doubt you could put a complete 10mm top end on a .45 frame, even if the latter had a 10mm ejector on it, and have a functioning 10mm pistol.
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February 10, 2008, 02:14 AM | #10 |
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would advise against the sarco stuff go out and buy some quality parts its not that difficult to find.
|1911 Parts| Barrel Barrel Bushing Barrel Link Ejector Disconnector Extractor Firing Pin Firing Pin Stop Grip Bushings Grip Screws Grips Guide Rod Plunger Tube Guide Rod Plug Hammer Strut Magazine Catch/Release Mainspring Housing Grip Safety Sear Hammer Slide Stop Thumb Safety Trigger Sights Front+Rear [Springs] Firing Pin Spring Magazine Catch Spring Plunger Spring Recoil Spring Sear Spring Mainspring [Pins] Hammer Link Pin Hammer Pin Barrel Link Pin Ejector Pin - Magazine Catch Spring Mainspring Housing Pin Sear Pin Mainspring Plunger Detent Mainspring Cap Magazine Catch Lock Frame Slide two kits that I know of Sarco and DPMS that have most parts need for build minus Receiver. otherwise various companies offer variety of parts packs like spring kit,pin kit. it takes smithing skills Sarco kits have been known for having pure junk mixed in. it may not drop in in fact go to any 1911 forum and see what they say about drop in parts. will need tools for build as well.
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February 17, 2008, 10:59 PM | #11 |
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http://how-i-did-it.org/1911-project...le_pieces.html
Read this before you attempt a build it yourself.
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February 18, 2008, 05:45 AM | #12 |
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Another vote for the Caspian kit. I haven't done what you are contemplating, but I had a Caspian framed 1911-A style and the frame is really a quality piece.
I hope you post, with pictures, if you actually build one. I would be interested in doing the same, as I like both the 10mm and the 1911 style pistol. |
February 19, 2008, 10:56 AM | #13 |
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I wasn't trying to scare you away from a 1911 build by posting my previous link. I was gung ho ready to jump in feet first until I found that link. I am still gung ho in wanting to try it. However, it did let me know to just buy quality first and if you gotta save up $$ to do it, so be it. It also re-enforced the idea that when you think you are ready, do more research and ask the stupid questions.
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February 20, 2008, 04:17 PM | #14 |
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I built a Caspian framed .45 about 15 years ago. It still shoots little tiny groups and does so reliably.
The only outside work I had done was when I sent the frame & slide to Irv Stone at Bar-Sto for one of his most excellent barrels to be fitted. A great sense of accomplishment when you take your newly created work of art to the range and it does just what you wanted it to. +1 to Caspian for their quality and precision. Roger
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Thanks for the continued input - this has been on hold, because I live out of state (IL resident in OH) and I haven't been back "home" long enough to clear the handgun waiting period to pick up a frame. What I have now from the Auto-Ord kit: 10mm slide and bushing, , 10mm barrel (conventional non-ramped), recoil spring and guide rod, and ejector. "Supposed" to work on a standard 1911 .45 frame, although I'll heed the advice given about looking for caliber-specific parts. I might opt for a full-length guide rod but don't have a great desire to mess with much from the kit beyond maybe refinishing it and possibly replacing the sights. Lower build would be from scratch. Never tried this before, but I think it will be fun. One point of concern is how much the fit between the slide and frame matters, as I think fitting the two would likely be beyond my small-toolkit capabilities. In any case, I very much plan for this to happen and will post up any results, just might not happen for a few weeks.
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