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Old October 11, 2008, 04:23 PM   #26
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Gun #7

On one side of the breech it says MOD 1908. On top of the breach is a star wot the words Estados Unidos Do Brasil. Left side of breech says fabrica de Itajuba. SN is 4986. Barrel says 7mm. Sporterized?any value?
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Old October 11, 2008, 04:38 PM   #27
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It is a 1908 Brazilian Mauser, caliber 7mm Mauser, also known as 7x57 (caliber - case length.)

Yours was made under license in Brazil rather than being imported from Germany. It looks in original military configuration, not sporterized.
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Old October 11, 2008, 05:17 PM   #28
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Gun #8

Thanks Jim. Heres Gun# 8. This one says "FABRICA DE (illegible word) in an arch pattern over what looks like a bird with arms? Beneath this bird figure says LA CORONA, underneath which is the date 1943. Side of breech says cal. 7.62, while front of barrel says 308 win. It says CAI ST ALB VT above 308 win. Oh, left side of breech says FR8=18649.
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Old October 11, 2008, 05:41 PM   #29
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You have a Spanish FR-8.

It was originally built at La Coruna arsenal in Spain under license from Mauser as an 8mm very like German WW II issue.

It was later converted to 7.62 NATO and the sights changed to resemble the CETME automatic rifle, with the tube under the barrel to resemble the auto's action tube. They were for border patrol and second line troops to free up the CETME autos for first class infantry. It was surplused and imported here by Century Arms International and marked with their logo (as required by law) and stamped .308 to let us colonials know what the US commercial round equivalent to 7.62 NATO is.
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Old October 12, 2008, 10:46 AM   #30
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Gun#9

This gun says Hakim 7.9mm Made in Egypt on the right side of receiver. Has what looks like a flash suppressor on muzzle. Says CAI ST ALB VT behind muzzle. Gun is 47.5" long.Second pic is left side of stock, which has SN painted on it ( This # matches one on receiver. How do I close the action on this thing? Got it open, but cannot close.
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Old October 12, 2008, 11:28 AM   #31
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Hakim is the Egyptian version of the Swedish Ljungman semiautomatic rifle.
Caliber is what we know as 8mm Mauser or 8x57.

It has been a long time since I handled one and I do not recall the operating details. Do not poke around at random on it, the action can slam shut hard when you do trip it.
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Old October 12, 2008, 01:15 PM   #32
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Gun #10

Thanks Jim. I was able to close it without losing any fingers.
Heres #10. Front of Barrel says M917629 SWITZ. Serial # 28717. Second pic shows what I'm guessing is a makers mark of some sort.
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Old October 12, 2008, 01:28 PM   #33
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Gun 10 is a pretty good, uncommon, and probably fairly valuable, rifle.

It's a Finnish rework of a Soviet Moisin Nagant. It's an earlier one because it has the octagonal (instead of round) reciever.

The "S" marking on it I believe signifies the Finnish Civil Guard. As I understand it, rifles with this marking are kind of uncommon here.
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Old October 13, 2008, 07:15 AM   #34
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The best resource for information on you Mosin-Nagant rifles is 7.62x54r.net.
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Old October 13, 2008, 08:45 AM   #35
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FNG???

Quote:
I'm a complete FNG when it comes to guns
For a FNG you sure have a lot of nice (historic) guns
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Old October 13, 2008, 10:18 AM   #36
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You should be able to close the action on the Hakim by removing the magazine (the latch is at the rear of the mag), and then pulling the triangular top cover to the rear and easing it forward (it will be under spring tension), then replacing the magazine again. These rifles were designed to be clip-loaded from the top of the rifle, but all variations of the Llungman are known to have an appetite for fingers.
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Old October 13, 2008, 05:09 PM   #37
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Thanks SDC

Action closed, all digits intact.

Thanks for the compliment K squared. I'm slowly but surely learning as I go, with the help of everyone here!
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Old October 13, 2008, 05:21 PM   #38
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Gun #11

Ok, this one is kind of strange, as there are no serial #'s anywhere that I can find. Pics #2 and 3 depict the only engraving I could find, wit the exception of the letters FJA engraved on left side of stock .
Hmm...
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Old October 13, 2008, 06:27 PM   #39
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No 11 is a 1903-A3, WW II economy model of the 1903 Springfield.
RA 5-43 means the barrel at least was made by Remington in May, 1943. The whole gun might well be a Remington 1903-A3.
FJA stands for Frank J. Atwood, the chief QC inspector for the army in that district.

It has been lightly sporterized by adding the strap on cheek piece seen on some of the other military rifles here, installing a scope sight (serial number and maker are under the front of the scope base) and taking off the handguard (the wood covering the top of the barrel so you don't burn your hand on a hot barrel when making a bayonet attack.) A handguard could be found, but the holes drilled for the scope mount will detract from collector's interest and resale value.
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Old October 13, 2008, 06:37 PM   #40
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Thanks Jim. Just realized what you meant about the wood covering missing.
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Old October 13, 2008, 07:00 PM   #41
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Gun #12

Ok, heres post dinner gun #12. "ENGLAND" stamped in metal band above trigger guard on left side. Serial number engraved on right side of action (see pic 12b), and more info in pic 12c. This gun is beautiful!
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Old October 13, 2008, 07:22 PM   #42
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No 12 is a British WW II era No. 5 "Jungle Carbine" caliber .303 British. It is the short version of the No 4 infantry rifle. They are pretty much the final developments of the Lee Enfield rifles that first came out in the late 19th century and stayed in British Commonwealth service at least through Korea.
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Gun #12 is a No 5 Mark 1 Lee-Enfield, also known as a "Jungle Carbine", because it was originally designed for troops who would have to fight the Japanese in SE Asia. It's chambered in .303 British, and though they were certainly easier to carry in the jungle, they were not known for accuracy. This one was made at Fazakerly in the UK, in 1944.
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Old October 13, 2008, 07:41 PM   #44
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Gun#13

Thanks again Jim. Gun #13 could definitely be used as a boat anchor if it ever becomes inop (heavy). It's not in the best shape, and has some rust on barrel. After some trial and error on some of the other rifles, Im pretty sure pretty sure the bayonette goes with this one..

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Blasphemy! #13 is a Garand M1 rifle made by Springfield Armory, but re-imported by Blue Sky Arms of Arlington, Virginia.
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Old October 13, 2008, 07:57 PM   #46
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"Blasphemy! #13 is a Garand M1 rifle made by Springfield Armory, but re-imported by Blue Sky Arms of Arlington, Virginia.
Today 08:41 PM "

I take it the re-importing detraqcts from the value?
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In this particular case, maybe somewhat; most Garands had to be re-imported from overseas (it was the standard US Army rifle during WW2, and couldn't be re-imported without proper paperwork). Blue Sky's Garands have a so-so reputation among shooters, but if yours is a good shooter, it may be in demand. The fact that they stamped their import marks into the side of the barrel in a highly-visible way didn't help; most of the buyers of these rifles prefer to have one that looks as close to 'as-issued" as possible, so most importers make their marks small and put them in a spot where they don't stand out.
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Old October 13, 2008, 08:28 PM   #48
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Gun #14

Ok, I can readily admit I know about as much about guns as I do about photography, but I think this ones a real basket case. As you can see in the pics, there are sheet metal screws run through the side of the receiver, as well as the forestock, and the engravings on top of receiver are scratched through (swear it wasn't me) . To top it off, there is a screw running straight down behind the rear of the bolt,preventing any action of the action (Is this thing French or what?).
I'm thinking this thing was re-arsenaled at Sally Struthers school of gunsmithing, or Grandpa swiped it off the hearth at Cracker Barrel!
Gotta go mix another drink after this one ha!

p.s. there is a huge crack in the top of the stock....
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Old October 13, 2008, 08:31 PM   #49
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more pics of #14

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#14 is a Lebel M1886/93, made at the St. Etienne Arsenal in france, and used by the French during WW1; these rifles are chambered in 8mm Lebel, which is hard to find. The screw at the back of the bolt would have originally been a flat-headed, blued wood screw, that had clearance for the bolt to pass over it.
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