What Semi-Auto's are Left at Your LGS? - Page 2

wild cat mccane · June 25, 2020, 09:28 AM

Directly from Federal in the Sig forum:
https://sigtalk.com/ammo-reloading/3...estricted.html

Bone Frog used to be the cheapest source of HST, but then they moved to LE only sales with verification.

Days of $20 HST have been gone way before COVID. So, HST and Gold Dot have literally not increased in price since COVID. And there is a huge supply of it.

TunnelRat · June 25, 2020, 09:52 AM

I was purchasing HST from SGammo for $29.95 a box back in September, not as long as a year ago. Some are still selling for ~$35 a box besides Bone Frog, which as you mentioned has the restriction. So it may well be that $40 is or has been the new normal, but the timeline you gave doesn't completely match my own experience. As for supply, I never said I couldn't get it (the ammoseek link I gave shows a number of options), I said I couldn't get it at the prices I'm used to.

sigarms228 · June 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

Last time I purchased 9MM HST from SGA it was $23 a box of 50 but that was a couple years ago and I know that SGA upped their price at least a year ago to about where it is at now due to Federal pricing rules.

However the huge increase in demand for 9MM has been for FMJ range/practice ammo and that is where the current shortage is. I have been stocking up during the 2017-2019 buy cheap and stack deep time but many had not and were very surprised to find the shelves bare when they were heading for a trip to the range within the last few months resulting in the huge increase of demand because shooters wanted to avoid that situation again and have enough on hand for at least a few range trips if not for many more.

My LGS is huge and has 63 indoor lanes for their range. When I was there in May they had ZERO 9MM practice ammo and only $30 a box SD ammo to sell for those who needed 9MM ammo for the range which went over like a lead balloon.

In addition to the current shortage of 9MM range/practice ammo, prices have gone up about 40 percent on average from what they were in February when it can be found and going even higher again the last couple weeks to where most places are selling at about 30 cents a round or higher. At this point with current events I would not be surprised demand to stay extremely high for quite a while.

Archer1440 · June 25, 2020, 03:48 PM

My LGS, where I have a range membership, is also quite large and has, today (just got back from sighting in a new RMR on my HK carry pistol)...

Several P365's, a few Hellcats, several Glock 19 and 17 in various colors, a bunch of polymer and metal CZ variants (mostly higher end models), several M&P variants (mostly full size), several XD variants (ditto on size), a bunch of .22 LR plinkers, some awful Cerakoted 1911's with gaudy graphics, but very few rifles of any sort. Based on what I saw there two weeks ago all the P365 variants, M&P's, XD, and Glocks will be gone in the next 24 hours, and the CZ's- some of which have amazingly good triggers- will likely still be there (they've been there at least 3 weeks already).

Every few weeks they get entry level HK's (VP9) and a few metal SIG and P320 series pistols in, which seem to go fast, along with the odd Legion now and then.

Lots of 115 grain 9mm range ammo (Federal white box) at 14.50 a box, which is steep but they do have it. Glad I don't need it. Plenty of other calibers too including some full house 10MM.

Carl the Floor Walker · June 25, 2020, 04:36 PM

Do you buy self defense at the same ration as range ammo? Of course Self defense ammo is more available. People are buying new guns like crazy and have to break them, in, train with them etc.

I buy a few thousand rds a month of range ammo, buy a box a month of self defense. If I need a self defense to the tune of having to shoot a lot of ammo to defend myself, home or family, of course I will use any ball ammo available.

44caliberkid · June 25, 2020, 04:52 PM

Checked Farm and Fleet this morning. One Sig 226, a 229, full size 320, and a Sig 1911 with the worn finish and pewter looking stocks with stars on it. Also a Ruger 1911 45 acp

kozak6 · June 25, 2020, 11:14 PM

A pile of new Beretta APX's, full size and compact.

JDBerg · June 26, 2020, 12:02 AM

The LGS offerings here are slim pickings. And I’m starting to have concerns about the viability of some of these small businesses who don’t have product to sell. But one of the LGS’s I frequent does great gunsmithing. So it’s a good excuse to get some gunsmithing done on guns I already have. I just got my CZ 75B back from having some trigger work done, and I had a race hammer installed, and I’m very pleased with the results.

GarandTd · June 27, 2020, 09:30 AM

My closest LGS has Glocks, Caniks, Rugers, Springfield's, Sig's, Taurus, Sccys, a Sar......

Ignition Override · June 27, 2020, 10:40 PM

A very large selection of handguns was still available--Friday-- at range/store Shoot Point Blank. This is a retail chain.
Most of the used 9mm handguns were gone. But---this was a very small fraction of the overall quantity.

There were still at least two or three 'new' Walther PPQs.

* At Classic Arms in nearby Cordova/Memphis, the selection of handguns appeared to be >>>normal.<<<, in other words, what they had one, two years ago etc. Sig P229, Beretta 9mm Compact were there Friday.
Maybe that store sold quite a few then recently restocked all of them? Nothing indicated any shortage.

I'm suspicious that some of the "reports" of gun stores being cleaned out are attempts to keep anxiety from Cooling Off...probably reported by some of the guys trying to sell unwanted handguns on Armslist TN etc.

zoo · June 30, 2020, 06:11 PM

West coast of Arizona along the northern part of the river from I40 and up, firearms/firearm supplies at the local gun stores are getting pitiful and have been for a while now.

I see that online at places like Aero Precision, etc., rarely have much these days as well.

After the depression fully kicks in, things may pick up if you have the money.

44caliberkid · June 30, 2020, 06:34 PM

I was in Brownells store yesterday and they had just about anything you might want.

zoo · June 30, 2020, 07:00 PM

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I was in Brownells store yesterday and they had just about anything you might want.

No offense 44cal but I see a lot of "out of stock" and over-priced firearms on Brownell's website.

Hawg · June 30, 2020, 10:30 PM

Gary's Pawn and Gun in Columbus MS had tons of guns yesterday. We got my wife's S&W 9 EZ out of layaway and I picked up a S&W AR.

Ibmikey · July 1, 2020, 02:43 AM

Lots of Taurus stuff, not much of anything of quality however.

wmg1299 · July 1, 2020, 04:02 AM

In an attempt to find ammo, I stopped by Cabela’s a few days ago. They had an impressive amount of S&W and Ruger revolvers, but the semi-autos were pretty picked over. It looked like they had a few Shields and one or two XD models, but customers did seem to be able to order a few more models if they were willing to wait a few days for them to come in. Seemed like there were a lot of new buyers in the line who are in for a rude awakening when they try to find practice ammo.

44caliberkid · July 4, 2020, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zoo

No offense 44cal but I see a lot of "out of stock" and over-priced firearms on Brownell's website.

The OP was asking what semi-autos were still left in gun stores, price not being relevant during "shortage" conditions. I was in Brownells brick and mortar store in Grinnell, Iowa, not in the on-line store. Everything I saw was physically there. Yes they do have some expensive guns. And most of their prices right now are full retail. But I still find good priced guns there, but you have to be there when it happens. But some stores are charging about 25% over retail. I know one shop who has a lot of high end AR's and competition pistols and he still has them.

the45er · July 5, 2020, 07:51 AM

The gunshops in Houston have pistols but they sell quickly. I buy a lot of guns on line. Trying to find a good 9mm or 45 ACP on Bud's or Palmetto right now isn't easy either. This thread should scare the hell out of you. Way, way too many people who don't know a 1911 from a Ruger Blackhawk are running out and buying pistols and self-defense shotguns and AR-15's. Some are getting properly trained but you can rest assured most aren't. Scared people with guns that don't know how to use them creates a very dangerous situation.

603Country · July 5, 2020, 08:05 AM

The glass cases were full of pistols in the gun shop in Our small Texas town. It was real busy though. No 380 ammo.

Carl the Floor Walker · July 5, 2020, 09:08 PM

Guns and ammo are bare. And this is a popular store. The range which is usually busy is dead. So easy for me to walk right in and have a bay to myself.
What I found as the most interesting thing was that the staff, which I have known for years, were all new faces.
I asked one of the newbies what was going on, where was so and so and he said they all quite and found new jobs.
Did they feel the market will not be there in the near future? I have no idea. Hopefully will run into one some day and find out.

Kreyzhorse · July 6, 2020, 07:42 PM

What I saw was that the cheaper they were, the faster they sold.

CUBAN REDNECK · July 6, 2020, 08:46 PM

Currently ZERO for semi-autos. Even some on-line sellers are running low.

zoo · July 6, 2020, 09:29 PM

So we can all admit that currently the availability/price outlook is poor, right? Lol.

Patience, grasshopper.

Hammerhead · July 8, 2020, 11:13 AM

Plenty of pistols at my LGS yesterday (southeast MN). Full shelves.
Only thing they were out of was 9mm ammo and small pistol primers.

BillW · July 8, 2020, 09:54 PM

On Monday I set out to my LGS to try to put three pistols on consignment. Gen 2 G 22 40 S&W, Gen 2 G 23 40 S&W, and Gen 3 G 35 40 S&W. The first store said no thank you. Interestingly a customer asked what I wanted for the G 22. I said $300 and he bought it on the spot, cash money. I knew his father who was a LEO who worked with my son.

I went to the second LGS who said 40 S&W was not selling; no thank you.

On Tuesday I posted a for sale note at our local public gun range. Each pistol with 100 rounds of FMJ ammo for $350 OBO. So far no calls.

June 25, 2020, 09:52 AM	#27
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	What Semi-Auto's are Left at Your LGS? I was purchasing HST from SGammo for $29.95 a box back in September, not as long as a year ago. Some are still selling for ~$35 a box besides Bone Frog, which as you mentioned has the restriction. So it may well be that $40 is or has been the new normal, but the timeline you gave doesn't completely match my own experience. As for supply, I never said I couldn't get it (the ammoseek link I gave shows a number of options), I said I couldn't get it at the prices I'm used to. Last edited by TunnelRat; June 25, 2020 at 10:45 AM.

June 25, 2020, 11:25 AM	#28
sigarms228 Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 2011 Posts: 1,768	Last time I purchased 9MM HST from SGA it was $23 a box of 50 but that was a couple years ago and I know that SGA upped their price at least a year ago to about where it is at now due to Federal pricing rules. However the huge increase in demand for 9MM has been for FMJ range/practice ammo and that is where the current shortage is. I have been stocking up during the 2017-2019 buy cheap and stack deep time but many had not and were very surprised to find the shelves bare when they were heading for a trip to the range within the last few months resulting in the huge increase of demand because shooters wanted to avoid that situation again and have enough on hand for at least a few range trips if not for many more. My LGS is huge and has 63 indoor lanes for their range. When I was there in May they had ZERO 9MM practice ammo and only $30 a box SD ammo to sell for those who needed 9MM ammo for the range which went over like a lead balloon. In addition to the current shortage of 9MM range/practice ammo, prices have gone up about 40 percent on average from what they were in February when it can be found and going even higher again the last couple weeks to where most places are selling at about 30 cents a round or higher. At this point with current events I would not be surprised demand to stay extremely high for quite a while. __________________ “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” ― Benjamin Franklin Last edited by sigarms228; June 25, 2020 at 11:31 AM.

June 26, 2020, 12:02 AM	#33
JDBerg Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2015 Location: PA Posts: 1,835	The LGS offerings here are slim pickings. And I’m starting to have concerns about the viability of some of these small businesses who don’t have product to sell. But one of the LGS’s I frequent does great gunsmithing. So it’s a good excuse to get some gunsmithing done on guns I already have. I just got my CZ 75B back from having some trigger work done, and I had a race hammer installed, and I’m very pleased with the results. __________________ Words to Live By: Before You Pray - Believe; Before You Speak - Listen; Before You Spend - Earn; Before You Write - Think; Before You Quit - Try; Before You Die - Live

June 27, 2020, 09:30 AM	#34
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Rural PA Posts: 1,639	My closest LGS has Glocks, Caniks, Rugers, Springfield's, Sig's, Taurus, Sccys, a Sar...... __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp Last edited by GarandTd; June 27, 2020 at 10:43 PM.

June 27, 2020, 10:40 PM	#35
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,887	A very large selection of handguns was still available--Friday-- at range/store Shoot Point Blank. This is a retail chain. Most of the used 9mm handguns were gone. But---this was a very small fraction of the overall quantity. There were still at least two or three 'new' Walther PPQs. * At Classic Arms in nearby Cordova/Memphis, the selection of handguns appeared to be >>>normal.<<<, in other words, what they had one, two years ago etc. Sig P229, Beretta 9mm Compact were there Friday. Maybe that store sold quite a few then recently restocked all of them? Nothing indicated any shortage. I'm suspicious that some of the "reports" of gun stores being cleaned out are attempts to keep anxiety from Cooling Off...probably reported by some of the guys trying to sell unwanted handguns on Armslist TN etc. Last edited by Ignition Override; June 30, 2020 at 11:02 PM.

June 25, 2020, 09:28 AM	#26
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	Directly from Federal in the Sig forum: https://sigtalk.com/ammo-reloading/3...estricted.html Bone Frog used to be the cheapest source of HST, but then they moved to LE only sales with verification. Days of $20 HST have been gone way before COVID. So, HST and Gold Dot have literally not increased in price since COVID. And there is a huge supply of it.

June 25, 2020, 03:48 PM	#29
Archer1440 Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2001 Location: USA Posts: 519	My LGS, where I have a range membership, is also quite large and has, today (just got back from sighting in a new RMR on my HK carry pistol)... Several P365's, a few Hellcats, several Glock 19 and 17 in various colors, a bunch of polymer and metal CZ variants (mostly higher end models), several M&P variants (mostly full size), several XD variants (ditto on size), a bunch of .22 LR plinkers, some awful Cerakoted 1911's with gaudy graphics, but very few rifles of any sort. Based on what I saw there two weeks ago all the P365 variants, M&P's, XD, and Glocks will be gone in the next 24 hours, and the CZ's- some of which have amazingly good triggers- will likely still be there (they've been there at least 3 weeks already). Every few weeks they get entry level HK's (VP9) and a few metal SIG and P320 series pistols in, which seem to go fast, along with the odd Legion now and then. Lots of 115 grain 9mm range ammo (Federal white box) at 14.50 a box, which is steep but they do have it. Glad I don't need it. Plenty of other calibers too including some full house 10MM.

June 25, 2020, 04:36 PM	#30
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	Do you buy self defense at the same ration as range ammo? Of course Self defense ammo is more available. People are buying new guns like crazy and have to break them, in, train with them etc. I buy a few thousand rds a month of range ammo, buy a box a month of self defense. If I need a self defense to the tune of having to shoot a lot of ammo to defend myself, home or family, of course I will use any ball ammo available.

June 25, 2020, 04:52 PM	#31
44caliberkid Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2017 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,104	Checked Farm and Fleet this morning. One Sig 226, a 229, full size 320, and a Sig 1911 with the worn finish and pewter looking stocks with stars on it. Also a Ruger 1911 45 acp

June 25, 2020, 11:14 PM	#32
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	A pile of new Beretta APX's, full size and compact.

June 30, 2020, 06:11 PM	#36
zoo member Join Date: October 2, 2019 Posts: 414	West coast of Arizona along the northern part of the river from I40 and up, firearms/firearm supplies at the local gun stores are getting pitiful and have been for a while now. I see that online at places like Aero Precision, etc., rarely have much these days as well. After the depression fully kicks in, things may pick up if you have the money.

June 30, 2020, 06:34 PM	#37
44caliberkid Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2017 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,104	I was in Brownells store yesterday and they had just about anything you might want.

June 30, 2020, 10:30 PM	#39
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Gary's Pawn and Gun in Columbus MS had tons of guns yesterday. We got my wife's S&W 9 EZ out of layaway and I picked up a S&W AR.

July 1, 2020, 02:43 AM	#40
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	Lots of Taurus stuff, not much of anything of quality however.

July 1, 2020, 04:02 AM	#41
wmg1299 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2013 Location: DFW Metroplex Posts: 190	In an attempt to find ammo, I stopped by Cabela’s a few days ago. They had an impressive amount of S&W and Ruger revolvers, but the semi-autos were pretty picked over. It looked like they had a few Shields and one or two XD models, but customers did seem to be able to order a few more models if they were willing to wait a few days for them to come in. Seemed like there were a lot of new buyers in the line who are in for a rude awakening when they try to find practice ammo.

July 5, 2020, 07:51 AM	#43
the45er Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2008 Location: The mini-hill country of Texas Posts: 254	The gunshops in Houston have pistols but they sell quickly. I buy a lot of guns on line. Trying to find a good 9mm or 45 ACP on Bud's or Palmetto right now isn't easy either. This thread should scare the hell out of you. Way, way too many people who don't know a 1911 from a Ruger Blackhawk are running out and buying pistols and self-defense shotguns and AR-15's. Some are getting properly trained but you can rest assured most aren't. *Scared people with guns that don't know how to use them creates a very dangerous situation.*

July 5, 2020, 08:05 AM	#44
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	The glass cases were full of pistols in the gun shop in Our small Texas town. It was real busy though. No 380 ammo.

July 5, 2020, 09:08 PM	#45
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	Guns and ammo are bare. And this is a popular store. The range which is usually busy is dead. So easy for me to walk right in and have a bay to myself. What I found as the most interesting thing was that the staff, which I have known for years, were all new faces. I asked one of the newbies what was going on, where was so and so and he said they all quite and found new jobs. Did they feel the market will not be there in the near future? I have no idea. Hopefully will run into one some day and find out.

July 6, 2020, 07:42 PM	#46
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	What I saw was that the cheaper they were, the faster they sold. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

July 6, 2020, 08:46 PM	#47
CUBAN REDNECK Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: SW FLORIDA Posts: 318	Currently ZERO for semi-autos. Even some on-line sellers are running low.

July 6, 2020, 09:29 PM	#48
zoo member Join Date: October 2, 2019 Posts: 414	So we can all admit that currently the availability/price outlook is poor, right? Lol. Patience, grasshopper.

July 8, 2020, 11:13 AM	#49
Hammerhead Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,432	Plenty of pistols at my LGS yesterday (southeast MN). Full shelves. Only thing they were out of was 9mm ammo and small pistol primers.

July 8, 2020, 09:54 PM	#50
BillW Junior Member Join Date: March 21, 2000 Posts: 14	On Monday I set out to my LGS to try to put three pistols on consignment. Gen 2 G 22 40 S&W, Gen 2 G 23 40 S&W, and Gen 3 G 35 40 S&W. The first store said no thank you. Interestingly a customer asked what I wanted for the G 22. I said $300 and he bought it on the spot, cash money. I knew his father who was a LEO who worked with my son. I went to the second LGS who said 40 S&W was not selling; no thank you. On Tuesday I posted a for sale note at our local public gun range. Each pistol with 100 rounds of FMJ ammo for $350 OBO. So far no calls.