January 30, 2011, 08:21 PM | #76 |
Member
Join Date: January 23, 2011
Posts: 33
|
I didn't read every single post in this thread, am not a lawyer, and won't even pretend to know the laws of every state in the US.
What I will say is that with firearms ownership comes enormous responsibility. We must know the laws of ownership in our individual states, know when and where we can carry, and know what situations we are allowed to use our firearms. We must also be aware that even in a legal shooting you are not protected from lawsuits and other potential legal problems. Always be aware of your situations, practice with your firearms, know what is in the background should you need to use your firearm, but try to flee the scene if possible. We have a major winter storm moving into the are this week and may be running on generator power. Should someone try to take the generator from the back yard, I will not be opening fire on them to save it. My gun cost more than that generator and by the time the police take that from me, the "victims" get lawyered up and start the law suits, I would rather buy a new generator and avoid the hassle. |
January 30, 2011, 08:32 PM | #77 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 18, 2006
Posts: 283
|
Quote:
Please inform us as to the legal guidelines you have used to arrive at the above is conclusion, I have never heard it expressed before in my lifetime. Drawing and shooting are two very different things, if you draw and a bad guy drops his weapon and stops being a threat and you then shoot him, you will be going to jail if there are honest witnesses. Drawing and shooting are not equivalent, nor is the justification to actually use deadly force necessarily commensurate with the justification to draw. Drawing is not using deadly force, shooting someone most definitely is using it. All the best, Glenn B
__________________
When I look in the mirror, I am happy to see, some of that nine year old boy, who used to be me. http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/ |
|
January 30, 2011, 10:05 PM | #78 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 15, 2010
Location: United States of America
Posts: 1,877
|
ever wonder about those "real" situations(it happens in movies too) where someone draws and turns and almost kills their friend, wife, innocent person, etc? How did they not shoot because it was definately a close call in every case? It can happen late in the night with spouses as one example.
I think most know Wild Bill was unable to stop himself from turning, drawing(unless was already drawn), and killing his deputy with one fatal shot. It can go both ways too, but Wild Bill probably already had his firearm drawn in that famous incident. Pulling the trigger is seperate from drawing a weapon even if there isn't much time in between.
__________________
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864 |
January 31, 2011, 09:02 AM | #79 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 18, 2006
Posts: 283
|
Quote:
All the best, GB
__________________
When I look in the mirror, I am happy to see, some of that nine year old boy, who used to be me. http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/ |
|
January 31, 2011, 10:47 AM | #80 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 29, 2004
Posts: 3,351
|
Quote:
If you are faced with the imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm you are also justified in using lethal force. A lot of folks have watched to many movies and TV shows. These incidents tend to happen very quickly. If you point a gun at someone and say "Give me your money" you have met all the requirements that allow deadly force to be used against you. You are not required to draw and think about it, or give a warning. You can draw and shoot. If you want to play Mexican standoff and hope the other guy gives up, go for it. If the situation exists that you can threaten deadly force it exists to allow its use. We are not the police. We are not there to detain the bad guy. Our purpose is to defend ourselves. Threaten my life and I may very well respond in ways you may not like. |
|
January 31, 2011, 02:39 PM | #81 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 15, 2010
Location: United States of America
Posts: 1,877
|
Glenn
Quote:
__________________
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864 |
|
January 31, 2011, 02:57 PM | #82 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 16, 2002
Location: alaska
Posts: 3,498
|
Knowing when it is lawful to use lethal force is only one part of the equation. The more complicated question that all who have chosen to carry must answer to themselves, is "Will my conscience allow me to use deadly force in defense of my own life or that of someone else?"
Those who carry without answering that question to themselves may wind up doing more harm than good.
__________________
"Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard |
February 1, 2011, 09:15 AM | #83 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: October 18, 2006
Posts: 283
|
Brickeyee,
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
All the best, Glenn B
__________________
When I look in the mirror, I am happy to see, some of that nine year old boy, who used to be me. http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/ |
|||
February 1, 2011, 09:17 AM | #84 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 18, 2006
Posts: 283
|
Quote:
All the best, Glenn B
__________________
When I look in the mirror, I am happy to see, some of that nine year old boy, who used to be me. http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/ |
|
February 1, 2011, 11:25 AM | #85 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 29, 2004
Posts: 3,351
|
Quote:
NONE. It is ALL case (common) law. The requirements to threaten lethal force (fear of death or grave injury) are the same as the justification to use the force. If you are NOT in fear of death or grave bodily harm you are not even allowed to threaten lethal force. If you are in fear of death or grave bodily harm you have met the conditions to both draw and use that force. They are inextricably linked. |
|
February 1, 2011, 04:05 PM | #86 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 30, 2010
Location: Chicago 'Burbs
Posts: 543
|
the only hard and fast guarenteed time to pull ur gun is when there are bullets flying ur direction. most will say that point is too late, and it is.
any other times are open to interprtation.
__________________
Sig P226 .40s&w/9mm -- Kimber Pro CDP .45ACP -- Radom P64 9X18mm Makarov -- Dan Wesson RZ-45 Heritage .45ACP -- Ruger SR22 .22LR -- M&P9c 9mm Springfield Armory Inc. M1A Scout 7.62X51mm NATO -- Kar 98AZ (1917 Erfurt) 8mm Mauser -- Marlin Model 60 Glenfield .22LR -- Marlin 795 .22LR -- Marlin 915y .22LR -- AR15 5.56x45mm NATO -- Springfield Armory M1 Garand 30-06 |
February 20, 2011, 09:38 PM | #87 |
Member
Join Date: December 12, 2010
Posts: 20
|
@Lee n. Field- I live in Georgia
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|