9mm Self Defense Loads: Your Choice? - Page 2

TunnelRat · February 9, 2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RoughDivider

TunnelRat, I can't remember where I saw/heard it but but I think long barreled, hot 44 mag can just hit the threshold where shock like from rifle rounds happens. That being said like hell im carrying a long barreled 44 mag for self defense. I carry a compact loaded up with 9mm hornady critical defense 115 grain standard pressure.

Like I said some exceptions. Long barreled 44 mag or 10mm are some of those that get really close and maybe will, I just haven't watched a lot of those tests.

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Brian48 · February 9, 2017, 05:38 PM

My top choice is really whatever I can get either locally or via mail-order. Living in this moonbat state, my mail-order options are limited.

Right now, I use either Win 147gr Defend or Federal 150gr HST with my Ruger SR9C, which I use as an EDC gun. 124gr HSTs or Win PDX1 in my Beretta 92FS.

TunnelRat · February 9, 2017, 05:48 PM

I will note that in the current glut the market is in right now I've seen some of the best prices for SD ammo in years. That and it's actually available in decent quantities. It's a buyer's market.

FairWarning · February 9, 2017, 07:06 PM

While I have stockpiles of the "Big 3", that is HST, Ranger and Gold Dot in standard and +P, I have found that Hornady TAP 124 gr +P shoots exceptionally well in my Beretta 92. Generally better than the Big 3 in fact. The very first time I shot it, I was hounding the bullseye at 25 yds. So I count that among my options. Yes, yes, I know TAP is not in the internet-sanctified "Cool Kid's Club", but I'm not worried. I carry several of the "Outsiders" from time to time when they work very well in a particular gun.

TunnelRat · February 9, 2017, 07:11 PM

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Yes, yes, I know TAP is not in the internet-sanctified "Cool Kid's Club", but I'm not worried.

Lol, okay? Yea Hornady is so obscure. Only the hipsters use it.

FairWarning · February 9, 2017, 07:15 PM

^^^^^^^

Actually, the internet hipsters will be the first to tell you it's not on The List.

TunnelRat · February 9, 2017, 07:21 PM

I guess. Hornady is one of the biggest names in defense ammo.

MandolinMan · February 10, 2017, 09:46 AM

Whatever happened to the famous Corbon 115+P loading? It seemed to have developed quite a reputation in the 1990's, yet I don't ever hear about it anymore. Is is still being manufactured?

TunnelRat · February 10, 2017, 10:10 AM

^ To my knowledge I think so.

ShootistPRS · February 10, 2017, 03:28 PM

If I was to use my 9mm for self defense I would test different bullets and loads in my Fackler Box. I have tested all my hunting ammo in it and my 357 magnum self defense ammo. The results of penetration can be compared to ballistic gelatin (they are a specific ratio). The expansion in a Fackler Box is identical to that in gelatin.

The lie that the temporary cavities or wound channels are important can be dismissed. The internal organs and tissues are elastic enough that things may be moved around but most of the "killing power" comes from actual cut tissues caused by interference with the bullet itself. This has been proven over and over since the mid 1900s especially with rounds that are less than hyper-sonic (below 3000 fps at impact).

All the benefits of ballistics gelatin are there with a Fackler Box - repeatability and consistency are better than with wet paper or other things used for testing and the penetration measurement is down to the inch. If you are going to test terminal ballistics building a strong Fackler Box is a good investment.

FairWarning · February 10, 2017, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MandolinMan

Whatever happened to the famous Corbon 115+P loading? It seemed to have developed quite a reputation in the 1990's, yet I don't ever hear about it anymore. Is is still being manufactured?

I don't think they've updated the bullet much for that loading since the '90s, and the advertised velocity of 1350 fps probably scares a lot of potential customers who don't want to damage their guns. They definitely don't appear to be greasing the palms of any gun magazine writers or major retailers either.

But the human body hasn't evolved much since then, so they are still quite deadly.

whitearrow · February 10, 2017, 05:40 PM

from my home defense glock 17 to my vehicle protection glock 26 to my on person glock 43. they all are stoked with winchester ranger 147 grain t-series. its just hard to beat the penetration and those "deadly talons" are kinda cool to.
if i didn't carry ranger's it would be either hst's or gold dot's all in 147 grain standard pressure. imho the wear and tear and more recoil don't give me that much if any edge over a standard pressure round.
Big Ed

Bamashooter · February 11, 2017, 01:38 AM

My only 9mm handgun is a Glock 43. The most accurate out of my 43 was the Gold Dot 124gr+p short barrel. Ive always tended to lean towards bullets that were a little faster over the slower and heavier bullets.

MandolinMan · February 11, 2017, 10:05 AM

My current choices are:

Speer Gold Dot 124+P
Remington Golden Saber 124+P
Hornady XTP 124+P

Jackson Hammersmith · February 11, 2017, 03:11 PM

Gold dot 124's for my Shield and G19

ShootistPRS · February 12, 2017, 02:54 PM

How many gun makers actually say they can be used with 9mm +P?

TunnelRat · February 12, 2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShootistPRS

How many gun makers actually say they can be used with 9mm +P?

I used to know more of them, but off the top off my head the HK USP.

Most companies will have a section in the manual where they mention that +P will increase wear, but the majority don't straight out forbid its use.

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**Spats McGee** · February 12, 2017, 06:01 PM

I use Remington Golden Sabers, bonded 124 grain. I think they're +p, but I'm not sure at the moment.

Cyanide971 · February 13, 2017, 07:29 PM

Primarily 115gr Gold Dots, 124gr HST, and still have a few 135gr Critical Duty and 147gr XTP in the ammo locker. Everything is standard pressure as well.

February 9, 2017, 05:38 PM	#27
Brian48 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2001 Location: Boston, People's Republic of MA Posts: 1,616	My top choice is really whatever I can get either locally or via mail-order. Living in this moonbat state, my mail-order options are limited. Right now, I use either Win 147gr Defend or Federal 150gr HST with my Ruger SR9C, which I use as an EDC gun. 124gr HSTs or Win PDX1 in my Beretta 92FS. __________________ Proud to have served.

February 9, 2017, 05:48 PM	#28
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	I will note that in the current glut the market is in right now I've seen some of the best prices for SD ammo in years. That and it's actually available in decent quantities. It's a buyer's market. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 9, 2017, 07:06 PM	#29
FairWarning Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: GA Posts: 1,149	While I have stockpiles of the "Big 3", that is HST, Ranger and Gold Dot in standard and +P, I have found that Hornady TAP 124 gr +P shoots exceptionally well in my Beretta 92. Generally better than the Big 3 in fact. The very first time I shot it, I was hounding the bullseye at 25 yds. So I count that among my options. Yes, yes, I know TAP is not in the internet-sanctified "Cool Kid's Club", but I'm not worried. I carry several of the "Outsiders" from time to time when they work very well in a particular gun. __________________ Mauser Werke, Schmidt-Rubin, Colt, Walther, HK, Weatherby, Sig Sauer, Browning, Ruger, Beretta, etc, etc....a few friends of mine

February 9, 2017, 07:15 PM	#31
FairWarning Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: GA Posts: 1,149	^^^^^^^ Actually, the internet hipsters will be the first to tell you it's not on The List. __________________ Mauser Werke, Schmidt-Rubin, Colt, Walther, HK, Weatherby, Sig Sauer, Browning, Ruger, Beretta, etc, etc....a few friends of mine

February 9, 2017, 07:21 PM	#32
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	I guess. Hornady is one of the biggest names in defense ammo. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 10, 2017, 09:46 AM	#33
MandolinMan Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2013 Posts: 339	Whatever happened to the famous Corbon 115+P loading? It seemed to have developed quite a reputation in the 1990's, yet I don't ever hear about it anymore. Is is still being manufactured?

February 10, 2017, 10:10 AM	#34
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	^ To my knowledge I think so. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 10, 2017, 03:28 PM	#35
ShootistPRS Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2017 Posts: 1,583	If I was to use my 9mm for self defense I would test different bullets and loads in my Fackler Box. I have tested all my hunting ammo in it and my 357 magnum self defense ammo. The results of penetration can be compared to ballistic gelatin (they are a specific ratio). The expansion in a Fackler Box is identical to that in gelatin. The lie that the temporary cavities or wound channels are important can be dismissed. The internal organs and tissues are elastic enough that things may be moved around but most of the "killing power" comes from actual cut tissues caused by interference with the bullet itself. This has been proven over and over since the mid 1900s especially with rounds that are less than hyper-sonic (below 3000 fps at impact). All the benefits of ballistics gelatin are there with a Fackler Box - repeatability and consistency are better than with wet paper or other things used for testing and the penetration measurement is down to the inch. If you are going to test terminal ballistics building a strong Fackler Box is a good investment.

February 10, 2017, 05:40 PM	#37
whitearrow Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2008 Location: the great state of MS Posts: 147	from my home defense glock 17 to my vehicle protection glock 26 to my on person glock 43. they all are stoked with winchester ranger 147 grain t-series. its just hard to beat the penetration and those "deadly talons" are kinda cool to. if i didn't carry ranger's it would be either hst's or gold dot's all in 147 grain standard pressure. imho the wear and tear and more recoil don't give me that much if any edge over a standard pressure round. Big Ed __________________ Whitearrow->>>-------------------->

February 11, 2017, 01:38 AM	#38
Bamashooter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2010 Posts: 1,860	My only 9mm handgun is a Glock 43. The most accurate out of my 43 was the Gold Dot 124gr+p short barrel. Ive always tended to lean towards bullets that were a little faster over the slower and heavier bullets.

February 11, 2017, 10:05 AM	#39
MandolinMan Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2013 Posts: 339	My current choices are: Speer Gold Dot 124+P Remington Golden Saber 124+P Hornady XTP 124+P

February 11, 2017, 03:11 PM	#40
Jackson Hammersmith Member Join Date: February 10, 2017 Location: North Central Iowa Posts: 31	Gold dot 124's for my Shield and G19

February 12, 2017, 02:54 PM	#41
ShootistPRS Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2017 Posts: 1,583	How many gun makers actually say they can be used with 9mm +P?

February 12, 2017, 06:01 PM	#43
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	I use Remington Golden Sabers, bonded 124 grain. I think they're +p, but I'm not sure at the moment. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

February 13, 2017, 07:29 PM	#44
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	9mm Self Defense Loads: Your Choice? Primarily 115gr Gold Dots, 124gr HST, and still have a few 135gr Critical Duty and 147gr XTP in the ammo locker. Everything is standard pressure as well.