spanish shotgun

titleman2005 · October 15, 2005, 07:25 PM

its me again. can anyone help me with any info on this shotgun. Is made in SPAIN marked on the barrels. The gun shoots 410 shells and has quails etchrd into the receiver. thanks

James K · October 16, 2005, 06:42 PM

Hi, Titleman2005,

While the gun appears old, guns like that were made in Spain well into the post WWII era and updated versions have been imported quite recently.

They were/are the product of small groups of gun and parts makers, mostly in the Basque region. In the traditions of cottage industry, the work was mainly by hand, done at home. One guy made hammers, one guy sears, one guy stocks, etc. A small shop with some machinery made the receiver. Barrels and stock blanks were usually bought from larger companies. Everything was hand assembled by another small "factory"; specifications and quality control were unknown terms. Any markings indicating a maker are also absent, though guns made in the 1930's and later will show Spanish proof marks.

The plus side is that they are interesting and literally unique, as no two seem to be exactly the same. The down side is that you will learn to dance a Flamenco before you will ever obtain parts or find an American gunsmith who will agree to work on one of those guns.

Even more of a downer is that the parts are rarely made of good steel or properly hardened. They are generally thinly case hardened and tend to wear through the hardening with use. Also, since the hardening is only on the surface, any impact (like dropping the gun on a cocked hammer) will cause the soft parts to shear.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. This is in reply to your personal message also.

Jim

titleman2005 · October 16, 2005, 11:34 PM

jim thanks for the info

RosaMariTB · October 17, 2005, 02:49 AM

My goodness!!! where did you get that. I am from Barcelona (Spain) but I know my family could not send me one by mail, my uncles from Sevilla own several things like that as well. I would just love to have one if I could get it here in the US both my grandfathers went to war and one of them gave me his war diary which I keep like a relic.

titleman2005 · October 17, 2005, 11:13 PM

I am still trying to figure out the history if I come across anything interesting I can pass it on to you. Good luck with your search

October 16, 2005, 11:34 PM	#3
titleman2005 Member Join Date: August 1, 2005 Posts: 71	thanks jim thanks for the info

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RosaMariTB Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2005 Location: Tampa,FL Posts: 133	My goodness!!! where did you get that. I am from Barcelona (Spain) but I know my family could not send me one by mail, my uncles from Sevilla own several things like that as well. I would just love to have one if I could get it here in the US both my grandfathers went to war and one of them gave me his war diary which I keep like a relic. __________________ "IMAGINATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWLEDGE" Albert Einstein.

October 17, 2005, 11:13 PM	#5
titleman2005 Member Join Date: August 1, 2005 Posts: 71	Tb I am still trying to figure out the history if I come across anything interesting I can pass it on to you. Good luck with your search

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October 16, 2005, 06:42 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, Titleman2005, While the gun appears old, guns like that were made in Spain well into the post WWII era and updated versions have been imported quite recently. They were/are the product of small groups of gun and parts makers, mostly in the Basque region. In the traditions of cottage industry, the work was mainly by hand, done at home. One guy made hammers, one guy sears, one guy stocks, etc. A small shop with some machinery made the receiver. Barrels and stock blanks were usually bought from larger companies. Everything was hand assembled by another small "factory"; specifications and quality control were unknown terms. Any markings indicating a maker are also absent, though guns made in the 1930's and later will show Spanish proof marks. The plus side is that they are interesting and literally unique, as no two seem to be exactly the same. The down side is that you will learn to dance a Flamenco before you will ever obtain parts or find an American gunsmith who will agree to work on one of those guns. Even more of a downer is that the parts are rarely made of good steel or properly hardened. They are generally thinly case hardened and tend to wear through the hardening with use. Also, since the hardening is only on the surface, any impact (like dropping the gun on a cocked hammer) will cause the soft parts to shear. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. This is in reply to your personal message also. Jim