The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old November 4, 2014, 01:34 PM   #1
fshfindr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 19, 2013
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 187
357 Rifle for Hunting

What powder do you use for your 357 hunting bullets. And, what bullets do you use, my preference is LSW but I know that many will prefer a different head. I have just purchased a Ruger 357 bolt action rifle.

Thanks,
__________________
Richard L.
fshfindr is offline  
Old November 4, 2014, 01:41 PM   #2
skizzums
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 1, 2013
Location: Douglasville, Ga
Posts: 4,615
h110 is king for velocity on.357 mag. I like h110 and 4227 myself. although I haven't hunted with my 357 rifle, most people steer toward the 158 xtp or just good ol jacketed soft-point.
__________________
My head is bloody, but unbowed
skizzums is offline  
Old November 4, 2014, 03:28 PM   #3
TimSr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 8, 2013
Location: Rittman, Ohio
Posts: 2,074
Bolt action .357? That's an interesting piece for sure! I would absolutely have to try some of those long pointed hornady bullets in that gun. FTX or FTP or something? Of stuff I have used, the XTP is far better for whitetails than a SWC in .44 magnum, and with a .357 hole, I would think expansion would be even more desireable.

For powder, H110/W296, especially for a rifle.
TimSr is offline  
Old November 4, 2014, 03:33 PM   #4
buck460XVR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2006
Posts: 3,504
JSPs and IMR4227 for the carbines and deer, whether it's .357 or .44.
buck460XVR is online now  
Old November 4, 2014, 05:34 PM   #5
waburn
Junior Member
 
Join Date: January 26, 2013
Posts: 9
16 grains h110 pushing a 158gr xtp, is my preferred load in my handi rifle. Velocity is around 1850 fps and groups are right at an inch at 100yds. Good expansion and penetration. Tried pushing them closer to max of 16.7 grains of h110 but groups instantly opened up after I passed 16 grains. ymmv
waburn is offline  
Old November 4, 2014, 07:45 PM   #6
Woodslab
Member
 
Join Date: February 25, 2014
Location: eastern nc
Posts: 81
357 carbine

I use w296 powder. 158grn xtp horn. Load max from the the load books. Pushes 1685 from my henry lever.

I don't hunt but this rounds potential is deadly.
Woodslab is offline  
Old November 4, 2014, 09:48 PM   #7
chris in va
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 26, 2004
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 13,534
Ruger 77/357 rotary magazine bolt action. First I've heard of such an animal!
chris in va is offline  
Old November 5, 2014, 08:15 AM   #8
TimSr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 8, 2013
Location: Rittman, Ohio
Posts: 2,074
I'vew got to find a picture of this thing!
TimSr is offline  
Old November 5, 2014, 10:05 AM   #9
buck460XVR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2006
Posts: 3,504
Quote:
Originally posted by chris in va:

Ruger 77/357 rotary magazine bolt action. First I've heard of such an animal!

They've been around for a little over a year I believe. Introduced because of the recent popularity of the reintroduced 77/44. I have a recent production 77/44 and it's a great little deer carbine and prefer it for hunting over my .44 lever. Like most Rugers it had a terrible trigger outta the box, but that was easily fixed. Some of the older manufactured 77/44s had accuracy problems, but mine shoots very well.
buck460XVR is online now  
Old November 5, 2014, 04:35 PM   #10
briandg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2010
Posts: 4,276
You may be getting nearly 2,500 fps out of a rifle. I would certainly not use a fragile bullet. In fact, the solid lead hard cast may be a good choice, even, rather than to just stick a generic 125 grain JHP into it.

In any case, whatever you use, I'd really recommend a bonded 158 grain soft point at the velocities that you are capable of reaching. Most .357 caliber Pistol bullets are designed to run at 1-1,500 fps for .38 special or .357 handguns.
briandg is offline  
Old November 5, 2014, 09:30 PM   #11
skizzums
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 1, 2013
Location: Douglasville, Ga
Posts: 4,615
xtp are rated for 1800fps, which is about what you will get out of your carbine with a heavy load of h110. at least that's what I get from a 20" barrel pushing a 158xtp. I do not know what their 125gr xtp is rated at, but I know it's at least 1500 since that's what their loaded ammunition advertised speed is, but I am sure it is also rated over 1800. the leverolution bllets are rated to 2200 IIRC
__________________
My head is bloody, but unbowed

Last edited by skizzums; November 5, 2014 at 09:36 PM.
skizzums is offline  
Old November 5, 2014, 09:35 PM   #12
jaysouth
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 27, 2001
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 701
That's a tough question because of the state of supply of good bullets. If you can find them, the Hornady 158 XTP soft point (not hollow point) works very well for me in a number of loads. They are tough to find right now. A round that has also worked well at 1500-1600 fps is the Hornady 180 XTP JHP. They certainly work well in my .357 MAX.

I would not try to get 2,500 fps as someone observed. That is a tall order with a MAX with 140 gr. bullets. I think that I could get a 125 gr. JHP to go that fast but they have a bad habit of exploding in mid air about half way to the target at that level.
jaysouth is offline  
Old November 5, 2014, 11:06 PM   #13
Vance
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 16, 2011
Location: North Bend, OR
Posts: 741
http://www.ruger.com/products/rotary...57/models.html
Nice rifle. Almost a thousand dollars.
Vance is offline  
Old November 6, 2014, 01:18 PM   #14
buck460XVR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2006
Posts: 3,504
Quote:
Originally posted by skizzums: xtp are rated for 1800fps, which is about what you will get out of your carbine with a heavy load of h110. at least that's what I get from a 20" barrel pushing a 158xtp. I do not know what their 125gr xtp is rated at, but I know it's at least 1500 since that's what their loaded ammunition advertised speed is, but I am sure it is also rated over 1800. the leverolution bllets are rated to 2200 IIRC

The 158 gr XTP-HP is rated to 1400fps and would be a tad fragile(IMO) outta a carbine. I use the 158 gr XTP-FPs in mine. They are rated to 1800fps. There are XTPs in HP and FP in the 125s also.


Here's a good reference.....
buck460XVR is online now  
Old November 6, 2014, 01:22 PM   #15
buck460XVR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2006
Posts: 3,504
Quote:
Originally posted by Vance:

http://www.ruger.com/products/rotary...57/models.html
Nice rifle. Almost a thousand dollars.

Wow....they have gone up. But Ruger's MSRP is always way higher than what they actually sell for. I've had my 77/44 for 3-4 years and it was a special order item from my LGS. For the Rifle with a 2X7 Nikon mounted on it, the bill was just under $700 OTD.
buck460XVR is online now  
Old November 6, 2014, 01:49 PM   #16
Jim243
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 5, 2009
Location: Just off Route 66
Posts: 5,067
Powder = http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/2400.aspx

Bullets = http://www.midwayusa.com/product/165...ProductFinding

Jim
__________________
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Jim243 is offline  
Old November 6, 2014, 04:55 PM   #17
briandg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2010
Posts: 4,276
These bolts in either .44 or .357, firing super heavy loads at subsonic speeds would probably be really handy for sniping hogs with a suppressor. Probably not great beyond 100 yards because of drop, but the thousand FPS hit on a 200+ grain bullet would be handy.
briandg is offline  
Old November 6, 2014, 07:40 PM   #18
reloader28
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 13, 2009
Location: nw wyoming
Posts: 1,025
The 158gr Lee RF works excellent on deer.
With a max load of 2400 it leaves the stubby Rossi at 1850.
reloader28 is offline  
Old November 6, 2014, 10:28 PM   #19
849ACSO
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 21, 2014
Location: Somewhere in the middle
Posts: 616
For my Rossi lever, I have been loading blue dot under 158 grain Missouri Bullet Co "STRYKER" (18BHN). I don't recall the charge at the moment, but I was able to get to just shy of 1600 with no leading. That will be my deer load this season.
__________________
"The day you stop learning SHOULD directly coincide with the day you stop breathing."
849ACSO is offline  
Old November 6, 2014, 10:34 PM   #20
849ACSO
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 21, 2014
Location: Somewhere in the middle
Posts: 616
Just looked..... 8.7 grains
__________________
"The day you stop learning SHOULD directly coincide with the day you stop breathing."
849ACSO is offline  
Old November 7, 2014, 12:07 PM   #21
Deja vu
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 14, 2010
Location: Border of Idaho & Montana
Posts: 2,515
From My 77/357 So far accuracy does not seem as good as others but still exceptable for deer. I was Using 300 MP and getting about 2100 FPS with a 140 grain bullet and a Hot load.

With My Marlin (my deer killer) I liked H110 and 158 grain Hornady flat nose for reloading. For Factory ammo I used Buffalo bore 158 grain bullets. They are very fast but they do occasionally get less penetration than the hand loaded (not quite as hot) on our local Mule deer.
__________________
Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull.

all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...
Deja vu is offline  
Old November 7, 2014, 02:02 PM   #22
rogn
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 25, 2005
Posts: 202
For what its worth, I wouldn't down grade the XTPs. I use the std .452 in a Savage 10ML-11, which kicks them out at 2400fps and at 30 yds or 200 theres a caliber diameter hole in and a 1" hole out. I don't think youll see any failure with even the 125 if its not sent through bone.
rogn is offline  
Old November 8, 2014, 10:17 AM   #23
snuffy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 20, 2001
Location: Oshkosh wi.
Posts: 3,051
Quote:
357 Rifle for Hunting
What powder do you use for your 357 hunting bullets. And, what bullets do you use, my preference is LSW but I know that many will prefer a different head. I have just purchased a Ruger 357 bolt action rifle.

Thanks,
What's a "head"?

Quote:
You may be getting nearly 2,500 fps out of a rifle. I would certainly not use a fragile bullet. In fact, the solid lead hard cast may be a good choice, even, rather than to just stick a generic 125 grain JHP into it.

In any case, whatever you use, I'd really recommend a bonded 158 grain soft point at the velocities that you are capable of reaching. Most .357 caliber Pistol bullets are designed to run at 1-1,500 fps for .38 special or .357 handguns.
????Where on earth did that happen? A rifle will show an increase in velocity from a handgun, but not 2500 fps!

Like from a 6.5 Ruger GP-100 to a Rossi levergun, same ammo same day. 13.5 2400, home cast 168 SWC (Lyman), GP-100 av. vel,1468
Rossi lever, av. 1742 fps.

Not even an 200 fps increase. From a 20 inch barrel! This was my two guns, the goal was to have a matched caliber rifle/handgun that I could carry the same ammo for both. Very common back in the old days. Those boolits just happened to also be coated with harbor freight red powder coat. They were quite accurate @ 25 yards, I love it when a plan comes together.

If it were me loading that .357 rifle, I would choose any good 158 HP bullet for deer. The .357 is marginal power for whitetail deer, you need the maximum wound channel for sure kills.
__________________
The more people I meet, the more I love my dog

They're going to get their butts kicked over there this election. How come people can't spell and use words correctly?
snuffy is offline  
Old November 8, 2014, 10:43 AM   #24
Real Gun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 19, 2004
Location: SC
Posts: 2,229
This afternoon I will be shooting my reloads of Missouri 158 gr SWC (BR18) with 10.0 gr HS-6 in my Cimarron Lightning pump 357 as well as a in a J.P. Sauer & Son, .357 Magnum Blackhawk clone. This pairing is meant to share ammo and be carried together.

The bullets have been resized and relubed, so we'll see how that goes.

Next up are some coated bullets from MO, BR18, 158gr, SWC, with 15.0gr PowerPro 300-MP. I test fired these last week but only to ensure a safe load, no data measurements. This load is a pretty powerful fire breather, and I have to ensure a firm, proper grip when in my small to medium guns. We'll see about the rifle.
Real Gun is offline  
Old November 8, 2014, 06:39 PM   #25
skizzums
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 1, 2013
Location: Douglasville, Ga
Posts: 4,615
Quote:
Like from a 6.5 Ruger GP-100 to a Rossi levergun, same ammo same day. 13.5 2400, home cast 168 SWC (Lyman), GP-100 av. vel,1468
Rossi lever, av. 1742 fps.
I get right at 1800fps with 16-17gr of h110 with a speer 148gr? bullet out of 20" barrel. I got an increase of 700fps over my snubbie with the same round.
__________________
My head is bloody, but unbowed
skizzums is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2017 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.14826 seconds with 10 queries