Pen Gun . Oldy

boatmonkey82 · January 10, 2011, 10:43 PM

I was at my nieghbors house this afternoon pludering thru his toy box and found a very very old brass pen gun in a .32 . it has no markings . how would i go about finding out more about it with no proofs or stamps . i will uploads pics in the morning . I saw some on gunbroker but they were in the nfa section ? they are not considered class 3 are they ? i may have to umm work out a trade with him for that lil jewel

Scorch · January 10, 2011, 11:59 PM

yes, pen guns are NFA items.

James K · January 11, 2011, 01:11 PM

You didn't hear it here, but one of those guns, if not registered, should just wander off and get lost, permanently.

Jim

boatmonkey82 · January 11, 2011, 09:06 PM

i have stuff to get lost from time to time . very cool item . i would be scared to shoot it . .22 yea , a 32 might hurt a bit

Volucris · January 12, 2011, 12:49 AM

Yeah losing this one is a good idea.

Digging a hole and using a touch of thermite works well for these scenarios. I've know quite a few gun dealers who've bought SKSs and such at gunshows for dirt cheap to find out they've been made full auto. Best to just destroy them and don't remember what ever happened.

youngunz4life · January 12, 2011, 01:10 AM

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I was at my nieghbors house this afternoon pludering thru his toy box and found a very very old brass pen gun in a .32 . it has no markings . how would i go about finding out more about it with no proofs or stamps . i will uploads pics in the morning . I saw some on gunbroker but they were in the nfa section ? they are not considered class 3 are they ? i may have to umm work out a trade with him for that lil jewel

a yr or two ago my buddy emailed me an article about the guy who willingly handed in a WWII pen gun at an "amnesty" gathering where the cops were trying to get guns off the streets. Every person who willingly gave up gun at this event was free from any questions or prosecution and was given 50bucks for each firearm turned in. talk about gettin screwed! I think this was in Florida but I'm not positive.

boatmonkey82 · January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM

i wonder how many of those guns go missing . i loose sleep and get sick when i hear of one of those going on . i just want to drive down and intercept every one before the turn them in . ooooooo im getting the shivers just thinking about that . thanks for bringing that up , im going home now:barf:

RJay · January 12, 2011, 05:04 PM

.32 caliber seems to be large for a pen gun as is the use of brass for one. However there is a Flare pen gun that looks to be about .32 caliber and is made of brass. Shoots ( what else ) pen flares. Used by military, issued to ( or was ) to air crews. Double check what you have.

egor20 · January 12, 2011, 05:18 PM

Air/Boatcrew flare pen gun
http://picturearchive.auctionarms.co...2b29a67079.jpg

I still have a few left from when I ran patrol boats, in Gulf War part I

youngunz4life · January 12, 2011, 05:34 PM

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...osives-weapons

I am sorry- the above article is just upsetting! Some of these things can be worth a lot:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2538480/posts

RJay · January 12, 2011, 07:52 PM

I still have a couple left from 1985, all brass.

SigP6Carry · January 12, 2011, 08:23 PM

Even though some of those things can be valuable and it's upsetting to think that they were destroyed, I can see the merit in these trade-in programs. They generally take place in areas that concern high gun crime and theft. Those are weapons that are potentially used in crime, generally collected from people who would never report them stolen or missing due to their own having them being illegal. I don't agree with the specimens being destroyed, but I agree with the slightly degree of safety that they offer to the area by removing those certain weapons.

I don't outright agree with it, but I see it's merit. Sorry for running off course.

James K · January 12, 2011, 11:57 PM

The trouble is that a lot (some say the vast majority) of those guns don't come from potential criminals, but from widows and people who just don't want "that old gun" in the house. While many of those guns, like the general gun "population", are old and/or cheap (Iver Johnsons and H&R's turn up regularly), there are always Lugers, Mausers, Walthers, nice old Colts and S&W's and the like. Some of those are cherry picked by police officers, but many are simply destroyed by people who believe that any gun is a work of Satan and must be destroyed for the benefit of mankind.

Even more disturbing is that some cities have "no questions" policies that have allowed real criminals to dispose of murder weapons without questions, and get money for them to boot. Talk about insanity!

Another facet is that many of those programs are illegal in themselves. Who authorizes police to not enforce the law? Where does it say in the gun laws that it is OK to transport a concealed weapon if you think the right thoughts? Worse, who says it is OK for police or the "gun control" gang to take turn-in guns and sell them back on the street, as has happened repeatedly.

Jim

jtb1967 · January 13, 2011, 08:43 AM

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...Some of those are cherry picked by police officers...

You're right about that one. I've known several folks in law enforcement that have added to their gun collection from confiscated guns as well. It's amazing how the just disappear along with confiscated booze, and even drugs in some situations.

egor20 · January 13, 2011, 08:51 AM

Where does it say in the gun laws that it is OK to transport a concealed weapon if you think the right thoughts?

+1 Jim

I can see it now:
"No Officer, I wasn't about to mug that old lady, I was bringing my (illegally concealed fully loaded) gun to the buyback program.

troy_mclure · January 13, 2011, 02:12 PM

most of the gun buy back programs around here have nothing but hi points, and busted up rifles/shotguns.

James K · January 13, 2011, 06:45 PM

I have bought guns from cops who took them from buyback programs. They carried junk SNS's to add to the pile when they took something nice out. As long as the count stayed the same, the anti-gun freaks didn't care.

Jim

youngunz4life · January 13, 2011, 11:43 PM

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Even though some of those things can be valuable and it's upsetting to think that they were destroyed, I can see the merit in these trade-in programs. They generally take place in areas that concern high gun crime and theft. Those are weapons that are potentially used in crime, generally collected from people who would never report them stolen or missing due to their own having them being illegal. I don't agree with the specimens being destroyed, but I agree with the slightly degree of safety that they offer to the area by removing those certain weapons.

I don't outright agree with it, but I see it's merit. Sorry for running off course.

I can't argue with you there. The program is a good program in my opinion. I just hate to think of some antigunner turning in his GRANDPA'S WWII pengun! Of course thats speculation, but I can not get over that. I guess it was his choice and his reasons.

ALSO:

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The trouble is that a lot (some say the vast majority) of those guns don't come from potential criminals, but from widows and people who just don't want "that old gun" in the house. While many of those guns, like the general gun "population", are old and/or cheap (Iver Johnsons and H&R's turn up regularly), there are always Lugers, Mausers, Walthers, nice old Colts and S&W's and the like. Some of those are cherry picked by police officers, but many are simply destroyed by people who believe that any gun is a work of Satan and must be destroyed for the benefit of mankind.

just my thought jim. you took the words right out of my mouth

I honestly can't blame a cop for preserving history in some of these situations but thats another can of worms

Ideal Tool · January 14, 2011, 12:09 AM

You guys just gave me an idea...you know those great BIG pencils they sell in novilty store, or at state fairs..I'll bet you could make a steel one up in .45-70 or 28ga....gives a whole new twist on "pocket protector"!

boatmonkey82 · January 14, 2011, 12:16 PM

I have the best idea yet . Im going to hold my own and personal parking lot program , Ill go buy about 1,500.00 in random gift cards and some bogus paper work . No telling what ill get in . lmfao . IM sure the local law enforcment would love that , but what could they do unless some were stolen and that would be the only issue .I remember back in high school i got taken down down for buying smokes ' dumb i know' but he never frisked me and i had this big buck knife in my pocket . well since they did not find it on campus the cop told me that if i DONATED it to the wake forest police knife fund the school would not know about it. I have NEVER given a knife away so fast in my life . but you gotta love that one ' ''the wake forest knive fund ''

boatmonkey82 · January 14, 2011, 12:26 PM

ok its the one that looks like a pen at the bottom lol

boatmonkey82 · January 14, 2011, 10:20 PM

does it look more like a flare pen or a 32 pen gun ?

twhidd · January 16, 2011, 08:25 PM

The more I read this guy's posts the more I shake my head.

armsmaster270 · January 16, 2011, 08:38 PM

In the 60's I had a Penguin Pen gun that had screw in cartridges for tear gas. They are identical to the one's presently issued to the Coast Guard for their lifejackets for flare cartridges.

GibbyB · February 5, 2011, 12:36 PM

I have two 1960's penguin pen guns that have been fired both with empty tear gas cartridges in them. I was wondering if anyone knew if they had value and what it might be

January 10, 2011, 10:43 PM	#1
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	Pen Gun . Oldy I was at my nieghbors house this afternoon pludering thru his toy box and found a very very old brass pen gun in a .32 . it has no markings . how would i go about finding out more about it with no proofs or stamps . i will uploads pics in the morning . I saw some on gunbroker but they were in the nfa section ? they are not considered class 3 are they ? i may have to umm work out a trade with him for that lil jewel

January 10, 2011, 11:59 PM	#2
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	yes, pen guns are NFA items. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

January 12, 2011, 12:49 AM	#5
Volucris Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Posts: 293	Yeah losing this one is a good idea. Digging a hole and using a touch of thermite works well for these scenarios. I've know quite a few gun dealers who've bought SKSs and such at gunshows for dirt cheap to find out they've been made full auto. Best to just destroy them and don't remember what ever happened. __________________ "From my cold, dead hands!" - Charlton Heston

January 12, 2011, 05:18 PM	#9
egor20 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,824	Air/Boatcrew flare pen gun http://picturearchive.auctionarms.co...2b29a67079.jpg I still have a few left from when I ran patrol boats, in Gulf War part I __________________ Chief stall mucker and grain chef Country don't mean dumb. Steven King. The Stand

January 12, 2011, 05:34 PM	#10
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...osives-weapons I am sorry- the above article is just upsetting! Some of these things can be worth a lot: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2538480/posts __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

January 11, 2011, 01:11 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	You didn't hear it here, but one of those guns, if not registered, should just wander off and get lost, permanently. Jim

January 11, 2011, 09:06 PM	#4
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	i have stuff to get lost from time to time . very cool item . i would be scared to shoot it . .22 yea , a 32 might hurt a bit

January 12, 2011, 01:26 PM	#7
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	i wonder how many of those guns go missing . i loose sleep and get sick when i hear of one of those going on . i just want to drive down and intercept every one before the turn them in . ooooooo im getting the shivers just thinking about that . thanks for bringing that up , im going home now:barf:

January 12, 2011, 05:04 PM	#8
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	.32 caliber seems to be large for a pen gun as is the use of brass for one. However there is a Flare pen gun that looks to be about .32 caliber and is made of brass. Shoots ( what else ) pen flares. Used by military, issued to ( or was ) to air crews. Double check what you have.

January 12, 2011, 07:52 PM	#11
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	I still have a couple left from 1985, all brass.

January 12, 2011, 08:23 PM	#12
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	Even though some of those things can be valuable and it's upsetting to think that they were destroyed, I can see the merit in these trade-in programs. They generally take place in areas that concern high gun crime and theft. Those are weapons that are potentially used in crime, generally collected from people who would never report them stolen or missing due to their own having them being illegal. I don't agree with the specimens being destroyed, but I agree with the slightly degree of safety that they offer to the area by removing those certain weapons. I don't outright agree with it, but I see it's merit. Sorry for running off course. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-

January 12, 2011, 11:57 PM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The trouble is that a lot (some say the vast majority) of those guns don't come from potential criminals, but from widows and people who just don't want "that old gun" in the house. While many of those guns, like the general gun "population", are old and/or cheap (Iver Johnsons and H&R's turn up regularly), there are always Lugers, Mausers, Walthers, nice old Colts and S&W's and the like. Some of those are cherry picked by police officers, but many are simply destroyed by people who believe that any gun is a work of Satan and must be destroyed for the benefit of mankind. Even more disturbing is that some cities have "no questions" policies that have allowed real criminals to dispose of murder weapons without questions, and get money for them to boot. Talk about insanity! Another facet is that many of those programs are illegal in themselves. Who authorizes police to not enforce the law? Where does it say in the gun laws that it is OK to transport a concealed weapon if you think the right thoughts? Worse, who says it is OK for police or the "gun control" gang to take turn-in guns and sell them back on the street, as has happened repeatedly. Jim

January 13, 2011, 08:51 AM	#15
egor20 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,824	Where does it say in the gun laws that it is OK to transport a concealed weapon if you think the right thoughts? +1 Jim I can see it now: "No Officer, I wasn't about to mug that old lady, I was bringing my (illegally concealed fully loaded) gun to the buyback program. __________________ Chief stall mucker and grain chef Country don't mean dumb. Steven King. The Stand

January 13, 2011, 02:12 PM	#16
troy_mclure Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: gulf of mexico Posts: 2,716	most of the gun buy back programs around here have nothing but hi points, and busted up rifles/shotguns. __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

January 13, 2011, 06:45 PM	#17
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I have bought guns from cops who took them from buyback programs. They carried junk SNS's to add to the pile when they took something nice out. As long as the count stayed the same, the anti-gun freaks didn't care. Jim

January 14, 2011, 12:09 AM	#19
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Magnum pen gun You guys just gave me an idea...you know those great BIG pencils they sell in novilty store, or at state fairs..I'll bet you could make a steel one up in .45-70 or 28ga....gives a whole new twist on "pocket protector"!

January 14, 2011, 12:16 PM	#20
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	I have the best idea yet . Im going to hold my own and personal parking lot program , Ill go buy about 1,500.00 in random gift cards and some bogus paper work . No telling what ill get in . lmfao . IM sure the local law enforcment would love that , but what could they do unless some were stolen and that would be the only issue .I remember back in high school i got taken down down for buying smokes ' dumb i know' but he never frisked me and i had this big buck knife in my pocket . well since they did not find it on campus the cop told me that if i DONATED it to the wake forest police knife fund the school would not know about it. I have NEVER given a knife away so fast in my life . but you gotta love that one ' ''the wake forest knive fund ''

January 14, 2011, 12:26 PM	#21
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	ok its the one that looks like a pen at the bottom lol

January 14, 2011, 10:20 PM	#22
boatmonkey82 Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Location: youngsville nc Posts: 195	does it look more like a flare pen or a 32 pen gun ?

January 16, 2011, 08:25 PM	#23
twhidd Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 823	The more I read this guy's posts the more I shake my head. __________________ Todd NRA Life Member

January 16, 2011, 08:38 PM	#24
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	In the 60's I had a Penguin Pen gun that had screw in cartridges for tear gas. They are identical to the one's presently issued to the Coast Guard for their lifejackets for flare cartridges. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S. Last edited by armsmaster270; January 16, 2011 at 08:49 PM.

February 5, 2011, 12:36 PM	#25
GibbyB Junior Member Join Date: February 5, 2011 Location: Huntsville Posts: 2	Penguin Pen Gun I have two 1960's penguin pen guns that have been fired both with empty tear gas cartridges in them. I was wondering if anyone knew if they had value and what it might be