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bryceh12321 · December 10, 2008, 06:17 AM

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dahermit · December 10, 2008, 07:17 AM

The intention of your poll is as clear as mud.

taylorce1 · December 10, 2008, 07:27 AM

Accuracy has nothing to do with how flat the trajectory of a bullet is. Accuracy has more to do with the nut behind the trigger than any ballistic charts can show. The .223 cartridge is plenty capable of going 300-400 yards and still being an effective coyote rifle. The .30-06 cartridge is plenty capable of taking game the size of elk past 500 yards in terms energy, not that I think you need to be shooting that far.

You are getting to wrapped up in what the perfect rifle cartridge would be, instead of buying a rifle in any of the above cartridges and learning how to use it. I have a feeling you are thinking that if you pick the right cartridge you will magically turn into a world class shooter. 99.9% of the commercially produced hunting rifles are going to be more accurate than you of the box if you buy a new one, than you will be.

If you learn to shoot a rifle, and to be proficient with it you will find out how little a flat trajectory really counts in the long run. There isn't a rifle out there that has a trajectory of a laser beam, so quit looking.

darkgael · December 10, 2008, 07:33 AM

"Accuracy has nothing to do with how flat the trajectory of a bullet is. Accuracy has more to do with the nut behind the trigger than any ballistic charts can show. The .223 cartridge is plenty capable of going 300-400 yards with and still being an effective coyote rifle. The .30-06 cartridge is plenty capable of taking game the size of elk past 500 yards in terms energy, not that I think you need to be shooting that far.

Absolutely. It's the firearm and the shooter that are the ultimate source of accuracy at any range, the shooter more than the gun or the ammo.
Pete

shooter_john · December 10, 2008, 07:38 AM

I really have no idea what is being asked or compared, but my 30-06 is my MOST accrate rifle to date. It is capable of this...

Bullet drop has NOTHING to do with accuracy.

sureshots · December 10, 2008, 08:39 AM

Every one of the calibers you have posted are very capable of making 300 or 400yard shots with A high degree of accuracy. That's what those little knobs on the top and side of your scope are for. Energy might be another side of the issue though. Here is A dumb example- A basketball player may be very accurate with his long shots but look at the ARC he puts on them.

Art Eatman · December 10, 2008, 09:51 AM

I don't understand the poll or the problem. I know a .223 will ruin prairie dogs at 300 yards, and a Swift easily reaches out to 400--as will a .22-250. I've killed a couple of bucks at 350 and 450 with my '06 (mostly, inside 200, of course).

My .223 and my Swift are half-MOA critters, same as my .243 with some loads. My '06 generally has stayed inside one MOA through the years.

Once I'm sighted in, I've never adjusted a scope in the field. "Set it and forget it." If you know your trajectory, and can reasonably estimate the range, the rest of it's easy.

I wouldn't go playing Ma Bell on Bambi with a .223, though. Too much like Gertrude Stein's opinion of Oakland, CA.

View Poll Results: OK
204 Ruger	0	0%
25-06	0	0%
30-06	1	20.00%
308	3	60.00%
223	0	0%
243	1	20.00%
270	0	0%
Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

December 10, 2008, 06:17 AM	#1
bryceh12321 Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2008 Posts: 136	Delete Please Delete Last edited by bryceh12321; December 10, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason: Delete

December 10, 2008, 07:27 AM	#3
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	Accuracy has nothing to do with how flat the trajectory of a bullet is. Accuracy has more to do with the nut behind the trigger than any ballistic charts can show. The .223 cartridge is plenty capable of going 300-400 yards and still being an effective coyote rifle. The .30-06 cartridge is plenty capable of taking game the size of elk past 500 yards in terms energy, not that I think you need to be shooting that far. You are getting to wrapped up in what the perfect rifle cartridge would be, instead of buying a rifle in any of the above cartridges and learning how to use it. I have a feeling you are thinking that if you pick the right cartridge you will magically turn into a world class shooter. 99.9% of the commercially produced hunting rifles are going to be more accurate than you of the box if you buy a new one, than you will be. If you learn to shoot a rifle, and to be proficient with it you will find out how little a flat trajectory really counts in the long run. There isn't a rifle out there that has a trajectory of a laser beam, so quit looking. Last edited by taylorce1; December 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM.

December 10, 2008, 07:33 AM	#4
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Poll?? "Accuracy has nothing to do with how flat the trajectory of a bullet is. Accuracy has more to do with the nut behind the trigger than any ballistic charts can show. The .223 cartridge is plenty capable of going 300-400 yards with and still being an effective coyote rifle. The .30-06 cartridge is plenty capable of taking game the size of elk past 500 yards in terms energy, not that I think you need to be shooting that far. Absolutely. It's the firearm and the shooter that are the ultimate source of accuracy at any range, the shooter more than the gun or the ammo. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

December 10, 2008, 08:39 AM	#6
sureshots Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Piedmont,NC Posts: 464	Accuracy Every one of the calibers you have posted are very capable of making 300 or 400yard shots with A high degree of accuracy. That's what those little knobs on the top and side of your scope are for. Energy might be another side of the issue though. Here is A dumb example- A basketball player may be very accurate with his long shots but look at the ARC he puts on them.

December 10, 2008, 07:17 AM	#2
dahermit Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2006 Location: South Central Michigan...near Posts: 6,501	The intention of your poll is as clear as mud.

December 10, 2008, 07:38 AM	#5
shooter_john Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2002 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 1,472	I really have no idea what is being asked or compared, but my 30-06 is my MOST accrate rifle to date. It is capable of this... Bullet drop has NOTHING to do with accuracy.

December 10, 2008, 09:51 AM	#7
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	I don't understand the poll or the problem. I know a .223 will ruin prairie dogs at 300 yards, and a Swift easily reaches out to 400--as will a .22-250. I've killed a couple of bucks at 350 and 450 with my '06 (mostly, inside 200, of course). My .223 and my Swift are half-MOA critters, same as my .243 with some loads. My '06 generally has stayed inside one MOA through the years. Once I'm sighted in, I've never adjusted a scope in the field. "Set it and forget it." If you know your trajectory, and can reasonably estimate the range, the rest of it's easy. I wouldn't go playing Ma Bell on Bambi with a .223, though. Too much like Gertrude Stein's opinion of Oakland, CA.