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Old June 13, 2018, 12:43 PM   #1
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NJ Governor To Sign Gun Control Bills

The bills include a universal background check.

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The six measures to be signed will:

—Require the seizure of firearms when a mental health professional determines someone poses a threat.

—Allow for an extreme risk protective order if a court deems someone poses a significant danger to themselves or others. The temporary court order bars the subject from possessing or purchasing a firearm or ammunition.

—Require background checks for private gun sales

—Lower the magazine capacity from 15 rounds to 10, with an exception for a popular .22-caliber rifle.

—Require residents to show a "justifiable need" to get a carry permit.

—Prohibit body-armor-penetrating ammunition.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov...id=HPCOMMDHP15
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Old June 13, 2018, 01:11 PM   #2
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Why do they have to show a "justifiable need" to get a carry permit in NJ? Carry permits in NJ are printed on unobtanium-based plastic already, why add a "need" requirement for something nobody can get anyway?

Prohibit body-armor piercing ammunition? So, no more centerfire rifles in New Jersey?
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Old June 13, 2018, 01:21 PM   #3
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why add a "need" requirement for something nobody can get anyway?
Prohibit body-armor piercing ammunition? So, no more centerfire rifles in New Jersey?
and your point is.... ?
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Old June 13, 2018, 02:19 PM   #4
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I guess my point is that this is further proof that the goal of the anti-gunners has nothing to do with safety. It's all about optics. Each new wave of politicians wants to be seen as "doing something." It doesn't matter to them that by now any new laws they pass are either unconstitutional or so similar to or repetitive of existing laws that they fully give life to the meme about "brought to you by the department of redundancy department."

Not to mention proving (once again) that laws are written by people who have no idea how the things they are regulating actually work.
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Old June 13, 2018, 02:29 PM   #5
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I live in NJ, these are what I call "harassment" laws, part of the "Surveillance and Snitch" Society. "Mental Health professionals" are the new Thought Police.
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Old June 13, 2018, 02:38 PM   #6
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Require the seizure of firearms when a mental health professional determines someone poses a threat.
The question then becomes WHO selects the mental health professional and how unbiased will he be?
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Old June 13, 2018, 03:51 PM   #7
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how to determine if someone poses a threat

I could make an argument that anyone with a gun is a threat, therefore everyone should be banned. Hmmmm........not a ignorant as we give them credit for.
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Old June 13, 2018, 03:53 PM   #8
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It's already against the law to privately sell a firearm to anyone who does not have a Firearm Purchaser ID Card...which requires a background check to obtain. Does anyone think the gang bangers in Camden and Newark are going to line up for a background check?
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Old June 13, 2018, 04:20 PM   #9
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Not any different than the South side of Chicago. Blaming an inanimate object instead of their failed social programs form the Great Society, it is all part of the blame game and it will not stop until the only folks with guns are cops and criminals - and there are more criminals in NJ than cops, ESPECIALLY if you include the politicians! )
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Old June 13, 2018, 06:03 PM   #10
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Let's take a look under the hood.

Ammo (and more):

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bi...00/2759_I1.HTM

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Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
also includes these interesting tidbits:

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Stun guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any stun gun is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
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Handcuffs. Any person who knowingly has in his possession handcuffs as defined in P.L.1991, c.437 (C.2C:39-9.2), under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as handcuffs may have, is guilty of a disorderly persons offense.
"Justifiable Need"

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bi...00/2758_I1.HTM

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in the case of a private citizen, shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant’s life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible, the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of the incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
Mental Health:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bi...00/1181_I1.HTM

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Any person who is licensed in the State of New Jersey to practice psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work, or marriage counseling
Interesting cast of characters. Requires a reading.


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http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...y_soon_to.html


With Christie gone it was only a matter of time.

Elections matter.
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Old June 13, 2018, 08:17 PM   #11
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So the way I read this statute, if someone were to meet Licensed Marriage Counselor requirements (10 3 hour courses, 1 year supervised experience, take the national exam (which a couple web sites indicate is pretty easy), pay the $220 fee, then they can declare every legislator, police officer, member of the state executive branch a "threat", and have their weapons removed?
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Old June 14, 2018, 04:19 AM   #12
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The confusing part to me is that they are now going to allow .22 assault weapons with tube magazines.

Why?

Those have been banned assault weapons in NJ for decades and now they're going to allow them.

It's puzzling because relaxing gun control in any way usually requires someone advocating the pro-gun side. I can't imagine any such person can be found in NJ government. So how did this happen?
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Old June 14, 2018, 06:40 AM   #13
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So the way I read this statute, if someone were to meet Licensed Marriage Counselor requirements (10 3 hour courses, 1 year supervised experience, take the national exam (which a couple web sites indicate is pretty easy), pay the $220 fee, then they can declare every legislator, police officer, member of the state executive branch a "threat", and have their weapons removed?
If they were counseled by said counselor about their marriage and the court agreed with their assessment that appears to be true. Interesting thing here is a lot of clergy are marriage counselors. The idea is likely a couple in an abusive relationship.
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