Glock 20...it shoots better than I do

FrontSight · July 2, 2011, 02:12 PM

Just some pics from my trip to the range last week...all are fom 21 feet.

Hornady rounds, factory combat sights, with the butt resting on the bench. Notice how someone next to me was shooting some bird / buckshot loads? Hit my target too

I bet I can bring the grouping down a lot with target sights...

Second pic of the same; look at all those little shot hits on my target, by the way

Same target, with many more rounds shot free-hand. I always tens to shoot low...

Doubletap ammo, with the butt resting on the bench.

rigby06 · July 2, 2011, 02:20 PM

Glocks are known for being combat accurate, with practice you should be able to get that down to a 2" group without much of an issue. My I had my Glock 22 it took a little getting used too, for both a Glock and a .40 cal. At least all of the shots are in the head or throat.

Sharpsdressed Man · July 2, 2011, 04:29 PM

Once it breaks in, and you improve a little, you'll be able to shoot a 50 cent size goup at 21 feet with no effort at all.

C0untZer0 · July 2, 2011, 04:57 PM

So there are a lot of things that consipre to make it difficult to fire accurately - things that people are generally not aware of until they try to be absolutely still - which is impossible. It's difficult to stand perfectly still, it's difficult to hold your arms out perfectly still...

When someone says the "gun shoots beter than I do" it generally means that the gun itself doesn't introduce any negative factors into the shooting equation that have a greater impact than the studd the shooter has to deal with apart from the gun.

Most guns require some amount of force on the trigger and most guns involve trigger movement, so most guns do introduce factors that have a negative impact on accuracy, but I would say a Glock definately brings factors to the table that negatively impacts accuracy, and first and foremost it's the Glock trigger.

I'm not sure I would say a Glock pistol shoots better than I do since there are at least a dozen pistols I can shoot more accurately than a Glock.

Chris_B · July 2, 2011, 05:31 PM

You know how to get to Carnegie Hall...practice

CLC · July 2, 2011, 07:32 PM

What's the story with the shot hits? I was at the range once and a guy shows up starts shooting down range without even putting targets up. Sounds similar

Don Glock · July 2, 2011, 07:55 PM

glock's are surprisingly accurate

75 rounds at 15 yards

LinuxMonk · July 2, 2011, 09:05 PM

Still working with my 36...this was from tonight's therapy session. Seven yards, 48 rounds in the 10 area, last 2 rounds were head shots.

bamaranger · July 3, 2011, 04:14 AM

Before you tear the stock sights off your G20, shoot it more, and dry fire (safely) even more. Trigger control is imperative in handgun shooting and I have no doubt your Glock can shoot way tighter 7 yd groups than that with standard sights.

Try ball and dummy w/ an auto, .........insert the mag and chamber a round. Then remove the mag and take two trigger pulls on the target. If pull two is anything but rock solid, you are anticipating and that will have a large effect on your group sizes. If you can do it safely, have a partner hand you the pistol, randomly alternating single loaded and unloaded. If your squeeze on an empty/unloaded chamber is anything but solid, same deal.

I like the G20 and need to shoot mine more. Holding a tough, accurate, easy packing auto, w/ 15+1 in the hand of near magnum power is a pistol in a class all its own.

Jim Watson · July 3, 2011, 08:06 AM

"The butt on the bench" is not usually the best way to rest a pistol.
You can rest the dustcover on a sandbag and push the front of the trigger guard into it. Or you can rest your arms and hold the gun.

RT · July 3, 2011, 08:28 AM

Gen 4 G19 @ 10 yrds-- 15 rounds, standing, unsupported

Eagle0711 · July 4, 2011, 02:59 AM

Your luck is better than mine.

**JohnKSa** · July 4, 2011, 04:19 AM

Quote:

When someone says the "gun shoots beter than I do" it generally means that the gun itself doesn't introduce any negative factors into the shooting equation that have a greater impact than the studd the shooter has to deal with apart from the gun.

I have always taken it to mean that the gun under discussion is more accurate than the shooter in question is capable of achieving.

In other words, if a shooter is incapable of shooting groups smaller than 5" at a given distance under typical shooting conditions but can show that the gun rested/benched shoots into much smaller groups than 5" at that distance, he would say that the gun shoots better than he does.

It's been my experience that in most shooter/pistol combinations it's the shooter that's introducing most of the error on target. So I'd say that most pistols are more accurate than the shooter. Certainly not all, but probably most.

For what it's worth, in my experience, unmodified Glocks in decent condition, used with decent quality ammo, are capable of shooting 5 shot groups at 25 yards that measure around 2.5" to 3.5".

Jim243 · July 4, 2011, 05:29 AM

Frontsight

Excelent start with your Glock 20. Based on the shot pattern, I would say the guy next to you was trying out a Taurus Judge with 410 shotgun shells, the patteren is really bad scatter, that is what I would expect from someone shooting 10 foot out targets while your's were at 21 feet. That little hole on the far right of the head is one of their BB's.

Guys while nice pic's of your targets (good shooting), 9mm is not the same as shooting 40 S&W (recoil)

I don't think you need target sights on that 20 just a little more pratice, but target sights wouldn't hirt, a new (lighter) trigger spring might help more.

Good Shooting
Jim

July 2, 2011, 02:12 PM	#1
FrontSight Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Posts: 1,712	Glock 20...it shoots better than I do Just some pics from my trip to the range last week...all are fom 21 feet. Hornady rounds, factory combat sights, with the butt resting on the bench. Notice how someone next to me was shooting some bird / buckshot loads? Hit my target too I bet I can bring the grouping down a lot with target sights... Second pic of the same; look at all those little shot hits on my target, by the way Same target, with many more rounds shot free-hand. I always tens to shoot low... Doubletap ammo, with the butt resting on the bench. __________________ To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw

July 2, 2011, 04:57 PM	#4
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	So there are a lot of things that consipre to make it difficult to fire accurately - things that people are generally not aware of until they try to be absolutely still - which is impossible. It's difficult to stand perfectly still, it's difficult to hold your arms out perfectly still... When someone says the "gun shoots beter than I do" it generally means that the gun itself doesn't introduce any negative factors into the shooting equation that have a greater impact than the studd the shooter has to deal with apart from the gun. Most guns require some amount of force on the trigger and most guns involve trigger movement, so most guns do introduce factors that have a negative impact on accuracy, but I would say a Glock definately brings factors to the table that negatively impacts accuracy, and first and foremost it's the Glock trigger. I'm not sure I would say a Glock pistol shoots better than I do since there are at least a dozen pistols I can shoot more accurately than a Glock. Last edited by C0untZer0; July 2, 2011 at 05:37 PM.

July 2, 2011, 07:32 PM	#6
CLC Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2011 Posts: 603	What's the story with the shot hits? I was at the range once and a guy shows up starts shooting down range without even putting targets up. Sounds similar __________________ In god we trust, all others must pay cash.

July 3, 2011, 04:14 AM	#9
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,303	before Before you tear the stock sights off your G20, shoot it more, and dry fire (safely) even more. Trigger control is imperative in handgun shooting and I have no doubt your Glock can shoot way tighter 7 yd groups than that with standard sights. Try ball and dummy w/ an auto, .........insert the mag and chamber a round. Then remove the mag and take two trigger pulls on the target. If pull two is anything but rock solid, you are anticipating and that will have a large effect on your group sizes. If you can do it safely, have a partner hand you the pistol, randomly alternating single loaded and unloaded. If your squeeze on an empty/unloaded chamber is anything but solid, same deal. I like the G20 and need to shoot mine more. Holding a tough, accurate, easy packing auto, w/ 15+1 in the hand of near magnum power is a pistol in a class all its own.

July 4, 2011, 05:29 AM	#14
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	Frontsight Excelent start with your Glock 20. Based on the shot pattern, I would say the guy next to you was trying out a Taurus Judge with 410 shotgun shells, the patteren is really bad scatter, that is what I would expect from someone shooting 10 foot out targets while your's were at 21 feet. That little hole on the far right of the head is one of their BB's. Guys while nice pic's of your targets (good shooting), 9mm is not the same as shooting 40 S&W (recoil) I don't think you need target sights on that 20 just a little more pratice, but target sights wouldn't hirt, a new (lighter) trigger spring might help more. Good Shooting Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

July 2, 2011, 02:20 PM	#2
rigby06 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 370	Glocks are known for being combat accurate, with practice you should be able to get that down to a 2" group without much of an issue. My I had my Glock 22 it took a little getting used too, for both a Glock and a .40 cal. At least all of the shots are in the head or throat.

July 2, 2011, 04:29 PM	#3
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	Once it breaks in, and you improve a little, you'll be able to shoot a 50 cent size goup at 21 feet with no effort at all.

July 2, 2011, 05:31 PM	#5
Chris_B Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2007 Posts: 3,101	You know how to get to Carnegie Hall...practice

July 2, 2011, 07:55 PM	#7
Don Glock Junior member Join Date: September 16, 2010 Posts: 1,141	glock's are surprisingly accurate 75 rounds at 15 yards

July 3, 2011, 08:06 AM	#10
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	"The butt on the bench" is not usually the best way to rest a pistol. You can rest the dustcover on a sandbag and push the front of the trigger guard into it. Or you can rest your arms and hold the gun.

July 3, 2011, 08:28 AM	#11
RT Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,194	Gen 4 G19 @ 10 yrds-- 15 rounds, standing, unsupported

July 4, 2011, 02:59 AM	#12
Eagle0711 Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Posts: 782	Your luck is better than mine.