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January 8, 2016, 09:24 AM | #26 | |||
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This is an interesting article. And when you consider how much drugs and black market items enter the US, not too hard to throw in a few crates of weaponry for "the troops". Then again when the cartels are supplied all the latest, including fighter helicopters, courtesy of the Mex Army, who gets it from US. It all makes sense.
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The problem with "Studies and Statistics" is that they can be manipulated to fit an agenda.
Ask the anti-gun groups to do a study and they'll come up with statistics to support whatever message is currently on their plate. Ask the pro-gun groups and they'll do the exact same thing. Where do criminals get their guns? I'd say wherever they can.. They will always hunt down the weakest link in their circle of comfort / knowledge and exploit it. |
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That's a nice set of cliches. I take it you don't actually read the debates in the criminological literature or go the conferences. There are pretty analyses of how this occurs. Just discarding the literature allows the anti story to predominant.
There are decent studies going way back. Use Google scholar and check them out.
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From what I hear anecdotally there are plenty of Mainers who can pass background checks who are also willing to trade guns for drugs to out of staters who can't pass background checks. I'm not convinced that banning stuff that the market demands works in the real world.
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January 11, 2016, 11:29 PM | #34 |
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The cartels almost certainly have several HUNDRED THOUSAND armed soldiers.
Mexico has a total population of 125,000,000 people. That means about 3% depend on the cartels for their livelihood. That is off wikipedia, but it links to another source following that statement. I didn't check the source. From my experience and in my opinion, the numbers are almost certainly much larger. Much as the "estimate" of deaths is now at 120,000 and missing 270,000. Even if you accept those numbers 450,000 people is slightly more than McDonalds employs in the US. 3.2 million is more than Wal-Mart employs. The cartels then have tens if not hundreds of thousands employed in the US. You don't arm hundreds of thousands of people, in fact more than twice as many as are in the USMC, using straw buys at small FFLs in border states. It simply is not feasible. The same goes for ISIS and Al Quaeda. Once you have organizations of that size running black markets there is no way to stem the flow. The US government can't control the hundreds of thousands of well vetted top secret clearance holders, how could you ever expect the cartels to stop their criminal employees from selling guns? Last edited by johnwilliamson062; January 11, 2016 at 11:36 PM. |
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Big time crime lords can get whatever they want. One of the Chicago street gangs (Blackstone Nation?), entered into a discussion with Libya a few years ago & got a rocket launcher. It turned out that their discussions were monitored by the Feds & they lost the rocket launcher & some people went to jail.
Again referring to Chicago, many Blacks have Southern roots and when fathers, grandfathers, uncles came her in the 1940s-1950s, they brought their guns with them. As these guys die off, some of the guns go to family members a few of which may be criminals. I saw a documentry which showed how some people would get ahold of a few guns & rent them to other people in their group, when that person wanted to do some shooting.crime. This makes a certain amount of sense as if your a known gangbanger, your likly to be pulled over & frisked by the police every week or two. Gangbangers can't carry everyday like CCW holders, unless they want to spend a lot of time in jail. IMO the average street thug has a hard time getting a gun, not to mention exrta amunition. Range time is not on the radar. As a consiquince they (as a group) tend to be pretty poor shooters. It seems in a lot of the drive by shootings they miss their intended target & hit a bystander. Just my 2$ |
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Saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel (?) about a small village in the Philippines that had made a cottage industry of making forged 1911s by hand. They interviewed a guy and he showed how he and his two sons were able to make about one pistol a week. These were taken to a larger village and then to Manila where they were shipped to America's west coast where they were sold to criminals for fairly big bucks ($1000+). Probably not talking about a lot of guns here, but it's part of the pie. |
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While it is true that there are hundreds of illegal one horse guns shops in the Philippines, from what I saw, most of those guns are for local consumption since it is somewhat of a hassle to obtain a legal firearm. Additionally, Abu Sayyaf is always looking for guns as is the NPA.
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