December 6, 2019, 11:42 PM | #26 |
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Another great scope for a leveraction or even a bolt action is one that I recently robbed off of another gun and installed on a newly acquired Browning BAR in 30-06 is a Leupold 1-3/4 x 6 x 32mm vari-x III
This scope is not made anymore but there are other's similar or you might might find a used one, although they are a little scarce. It has a great wide field of view on low power and 6 power is plenty, and the vari-x III's had pretty good glass on them. Personally, I think it would be nearly unbeatable on a fast handling leveraction or in this case a Browning BAR semi-auto. Frankly, I can make the long shots with about any scope mounted on about any old gun, at a standing deer, given time to get steady and touch off a well aimed shot, but the opportunities that still haunt me are the ones that got away because I couldn't get off a quick well aimed shot on a big deer moving fast at close range. And that is where my bet is on a low powered variable, and it's wide field of view. And that combination has paid off for me, a lot more often then excessive magnification on a poor handling, over scoped gun has. But then again, maybe if I was a better hunter or hunted over game feeders more, I would get more easy standing shots. A man's got to know his limitations. Last edited by Blue Duck; December 6, 2019 at 11:57 PM. |
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Who cares?
Seems a lot of us care that a big scope on a 30-30 (or a .444) is too much optic for rifles with an effective range of 200 yds or so at best. Not only does it look goofy, but it adds more weight and bulk to a firearms that are supposed to be compact and handy. The .444 is not much of an improvement trajectory wise either. If one is inclined to run that much optic, you might as well get a high performance bolt rifle offering more reach.
A big bell scope does not guarantee low light performance. I am far from an expert on optics, but seems as if I've read that a once you juggle the numbers, a 6x42 or somewhere there about , delivers all the light that the human eye can utilize anyhow. That matches my experience as well. I've looked through a lot of scopes in bad light, backing off the power on a variable) always helps. It's not so much how much light your scope can suck in ( and some are better than others, no doubt), but how much light your eye can utilize. But a big scope will guarantee more size, weight and magnification that you don't need, every time. |
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Claims that I see of having great clarity with optics like the 'XZY Super-Doot Eleventy-Twelve Tacti-master 9000' beyond such times fall into the "flaming BS" category.
...Maybe in your backyard. With a full moon. With artificial lighting. From your back porch. Outside the tree line, over the strategically-placed bait pile. Short of IR and NVG optics, it ain't happening in the real world. "But there was a full moon. And it was from my living room. ... And looking at my white IPSC target at 15 yards. ... And I had my truck's headlights on. ...And Mars and Venus were in opposition. ... And Jupiter was in the house of Adrian. ... And I had just found a 5-leaf clover. ... And we had a really big bonfire. ... I wasn't exaggerating! It was just that one-time that I tested. ... While drunk. With my buddies. After having a campfire argument about how awesome my new scope was, because I paid $2,600 for it!" Quote:
30 minutes after sunset. Anything else is against the law where I hunt, and unnecessary. Bottom feeder scopes can't do it. But even the best scopes still need light to do their job. It isn't about picking out a paper plate or sight-in target in low light. It's about positively identifying a game animal, and being able to make a clean shot.
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My Son has a new Nikon Monarch 5 on his rifle. One evening at few minutes before legal light was over he was looking for a deer in his scope. I handed him my rifle and he immediately found it and identified it as smaller than he wanted to shoot. I dont know what Meopta is doing to their glass, but you have to see their new scopes to believe them. Last edited by reynolds357; December 7, 2019 at 08:31 AM. |
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I think it's a given, by most anyone with common basic knowledge of how scopes work that the bigger the barrel of the scope (1" vs. 30mm) for instance and also the size of objective will affect how bright the optic will be, with some overlap due to the quality of the glass, coatings, used, etc.
That's really not the question here the way I see it. If it really was then, why wouldn't we all be using huge scopes with very large objectives on our lightweight hunting carbines? Do we really need to mount a $2000 scope on a $350 carbine with a 5 pound trigger? There is a thing called balance and handling, and sometimes less is really more. |
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its all about perspective and ones experiences. Lever guns excel in heavy timber and brush with or without a scope and the majority of people thats how they use them then use something different for open country hunting. If thats the case, then a low power lightweight scope makes more sense and is just fine.
I grew up hunting deer with my 3030 in both coastal brush and eastern open range country. The rifle was all I had for many years, I put a 3x9 on it and it worked fine in both environments taking some game out at 200yds just fine. If one wants versatility, a larger scope is an option that works. If one doesn't need to then a smaller scope works great too. I personally don't find the larger scope heavy or overbearing on my Marlin and made certain to get a scope with a good field of view on the low end so win win.
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Had a 3x9 on a Marlin 336 for a couple decades. Did add a bit of bulk over the unscoped rifle but didn't make it unwieldly for me, anyway. On a Marlin 1895 .45-70 I used a 2.5x with a post/crosswire reticle. Not a problem, for me, anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't bother scoping a Henry, or for that matter a Win 94. But the Marlin is easy, and efficient.
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I put a neoprene and foam cheek riser (Beartooth Products? IIRC) on the stock, to lift my face up to the right height upon mounting the gun. It works. This November I shot a doe (70 yards) and a buck (35 yards), both running full tilt in less time than it took my daughter to yell, "There's a deer!" <Bang!> (knocked doe down, she started to get back up) <clack-clackBang!> and "There's another one! It's a Bu<clack-clackBang!>HEY you stole my deer!" ....... |
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Cheek weld is over rated. You can shoot great without cheek weld. Cheek weld is a way to be consistent, not the ONLY way.
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That said, I would not want to hunt whitetail where I hunt, and I emphasize where I hunt, without a rifle that comes up instantaneously on target and this means a perfect cheek weld. Hunting rifles I have with high combs require me to use about medium height scope rings to get the rifle to "come up" on target the way I want it to come up on target. Some of these higher comb rifles are vey uncomfortable to use with the issue iron sights, if they come so equipped. For a low comb rifle like the Marlin 336 I use old style, Weaver low rings to achieve this purpose....This allows a scope with a 32mm objective bell to just clear the rear sight, very low....I don't know about the newer 336 as it seems you can't even find a new pellet rifle without a high comb built with large objective scopes in mind. As an aside, a few years ago, I bought one of the newer Benjamin pump pellet guns. Unlike the old, iconic, Benjamins or Sheridans, this rifle has a ridiculously high comb and it is not even meant to be scoped!!!...I mounted a Williams peep and still have to squeeze my head (not even cheek) down so far that my neck is nearly sideways, very uncomfortable |
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A scope ruins the looks, bsalance, etc pof a lever gun. I tried a coyple on 94 Woincjesters, and took them back off after one hunting trip. I currently use Lyman receiver sights on lever guns.
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Which other supports to marksmanship fundamentals are over-rated, Mr. Reynolds? Natural point of aim? Trigger squeeze? Maybe breathing control? How about follow through? Oh, I got it now: I just need to drop 2-3 Grand on a telescope suitable for studying moon craters, and put on a 26" custom hand lapped barrel and I can shoot any critter in any conditions ...... way out past Fort Mudge ...... whatever, dood. Have a nice day. |
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At this point, it's like the fella that kissed the cow, to each his own.
I believe that big scopes on little rifles are ugly, compromise handling and portablility due to size and weight, and offer magnification that really isn't needed for most whitetail hunting done with lever carbines and moderate cartridges. Folks want to go another route, have at it. I'll never hunt a Meopta, a NightForce, a Kahles or Zeiss, 'cause I can't afford them. I've gotten by with very average Leupold's, a couple of Burris's and a Nikon, many bought used. Legal shooting hours (and maybe just a tad later) anyplace I've ever hunted, they've served just fine. Some scopes are certainly better than others, but there is indeed a limit on what the human eye can do in bad light no matter with what scope they hunt. |
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My go to scope for ARs and woods rifles is the now discontinued Nikon P-223 3X32 fixed power. Look for them on closeouts. I have one on a Marlin 3030, Marlin .22 and AR 15. A weaver 4X on a Handi in .357 MAX is my favorite deer harvester.
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Lookin at a Leupold 2-7x32 for the 30-30. Reviews look really good and I think it would be a great addition to the rifle.
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I cannot imagine a better power scope for a 30-30 than a straight 2 3/4x or maybe even a 10-4x. I have both and love them. Both are Denver Redfield's. 2 3/4x on my 30-06 and 1-4xon my 308. I only shoot cast bullet's in the 308, scope is great!
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Sure have been some interesting replies about this. So, I'll just offer this for the OP: How about a Weaver Claasic V 1-3x20mm for your Henry? Have one on my Henry .357 rifle. Not cumbersome, light and works well. You could do worse and not much better.
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Honestly after spending a few years with my Henry 30-30 . I have no need for an optic. Even given the fact I have really poor eyes, I went the route of ditching the crappy standard lever action type sights and added Skinner peep sights. I also have a custom modified front sight that allows me to have a base 100 yd zero, and I can raise the rear aperture sight and reach 200 yds. Aperture sights are a big help for me with my bad eyes. I love the Skinner's and it keeps my Henry looking somewhat authentic.
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Use a ghost ring or peep sight for your Henry unless your vision is bad than use you can use a Schmidt and Bender.
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I put a Weaver Classic K series 4x38 Model S49415 on my Marlin 30-30, 36A a few years ago.Bright, Clear, all the magnification ya need on a 30-30. hdbiker
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