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November 4, 2011, 12:57 PM | #1 | ||
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Three Sacramento Sheriff's busted for sale of "illegal" handguns
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Unless true "criminals" were involved in this case, by that I mean gang members and the like I think this is another example of the extremes people will go to inorder to get around insane gun restrictions and bans. Q though for Cali experts: Are semi-auto's sold in California modified so they cannot accept "high capacity" magazines or is it simply that they are sold with a maximum 10 round magazine? If they are simply unmodified firearms sold with 10 round magazines I can think of much easier ways to get around this law than going through a local LEO. Last edited by Patriot86; November 4, 2011 at 01:02 PM. |
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My question is why is the ATF involved if it only involves a state imposed mag capacity restriction?
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November 4, 2011, 01:44 PM | #3 |
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Go HERE for the complete text of California firearms laws. The portion relating to magazines is on page six.
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The problem is, Spats, that common citizens are not trustworthy with hi-cap magazines. It's a sign they are imminently unstable and likely to kill rampantly, because CA legislators "know" (as do other savants) that will be the result. These wonderful people are saving us proles from ourselves.
Now, police, they need whatever they can get to suppress "the threat". To include motor officers in my area carrying M4 carbines on their bikes, 30 round mag inserted and, no doubt, more available. Suspects, law-abiding until found out by government, need suppression. Criminals don't care about laws (which is why they used to be called "outlaws"). So they get hi-cap magazines which police have to have to even the field. Citizens? Why should they be on an even field? They are the sheep we of the political class manage.
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That is one horribly written news item. It's like reading the poorly translated instructions for a piece of flat pack furniture from China.
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If you read other articles on this, you'll see a phrase about large quantities of handguns being sold. That likely explains the feds involvement. That and the crooked cops dealing guns.
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I want to hear the details before I pass judgement. Was this a few cops selling "illegal guns" to friends, or were they selling them to anyone and everyone.
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gwah....that article is just wow...You'd think someone who gets paid to write for a living could do slightly better. On topic, any handgun thats not on The List is ineligible for sale in California to average Joe/Jane Citizen(there are some exemptions). In other places they get sold with whatever capacity magazine they were intended to have, in California 10rds max. So it's tough to tell whether they were purchasing off list guns, or just whatever with 10+ capacity magazines. Since I believe both options are available to LE.
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Besides the initial news report of the investigation, there is this article from Friday at Fox News, which seems to indicate that this is an ATF operation.
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CA has a Roster of Safe Handguns, that CA FFLs may sell to the general public. This law exempts all police officers. They may buy (most) any handgun they want. The law even allows these "exempt" persons to sell their off-Roster handgun to a non-exempt person (note that all firearm sales must go through a CA FFL). Since the ATF is (presumed) to be leading this investigation, we can safely assume that those officers under investigation are selling these off-Roster handguns to the public. That makes them a business, selling without a FFL. Under CA law, if you sell 6 or more handguns a year, you are a business and you are required to have a FFL. So this appears to be an investigation about not having an FFL to do business (speculation: selling off-Roster guns for a profit) and not so much about straw sales. |
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How does BATFE have jurisdiction when these are not federal gun laws but rather state gun laws that were being broken?
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It sounds like a witch hunt. Sounds like state law was broken, somehow BATFE was allowed to investigate it instead of state police. After BATFE got access to the officer's houses, they're looking to see if any federal charges can be levelled. |
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... Or its a PR move.
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"Selling '6 or more handguns a year' without a FFL would do it."
There is no limit on how many of your own guns you can sell in a year according to the ATF. You can look it up. "Soundn't they have an idea of what federal charges they would be bringing in the case before the arrests?" You really think they're stupid, don't you. Sheesh. John Last edited by johnbt; November 7, 2011 at 11:10 AM. |
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http://www.news10.net/news/article/1...riffs-deputies
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Again, remember this is CALIFORNIA we are talking about. A glock that holds 17 rounds would probably be called an "assault weapon". This case is starting to sound like these officers selling guns that are otherwise "restricted" in California for a profit..that is a business so I can see the violation there for lack of an FFL.
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The assault rifle quote was from a BATFE employee, not a California employee.
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