Federal "Classic" 12 gauge OOO buckshots

balazona · January 12, 2010, 11:47 AM

Hi guys,
how is Federal "Classic" 12 gauge 2-3/4" OOO buckshots for HD purpose?are they good to use in 18" smooth bore Maverick shotgun?

sleeper614 · January 12, 2010, 05:43 PM

yeah its good for home defense. i shoot federal in my maverick

mathman · January 12, 2010, 10:14 PM

Yes, it's good stuff. Why use 00 when you can use 000?

Actually, there probably isn't a very discernible difference between the two when it comes to the end result.

ADB · January 14, 2010, 12:53 AM

Any kind of buckshot is going to be more than adequate for your needs.

LanceOregon · January 14, 2010, 01:04 AM

#4 Buckshot would be far better. It will do damage over a wider area.

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noyes · January 14, 2010, 01:18 AM

000 is great for that extra penetration go thru the sternum (breastbone) to that (vital) heart.

LanceOregon · January 14, 2010, 01:31 AM

That is an absolute myth that #4 Buckshot will not destroy vital organs.

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B. Lahey · January 14, 2010, 01:38 AM

000 is great.

guitar1580 · January 14, 2010, 04:53 AM

000 is exactly what I've been planning on getting for my new 20 ga. The ones I was looking at contained 20 pellets in a 20ga round. I agree that #4 hunting rounds would prove to be quite wicked also, at a much lesser price.

I wouldn't want to be in the path of any of them, near, far, or in between!

Josh P

mathman · January 14, 2010, 09:10 AM

No 000 buck load in 20 gauge is going to have 20 pellets...you must be a little confused?

LanceOregon · January 14, 2010, 07:51 PM

Biggest Buckshot normally loaded in 20 gauge is #2 Buckshot. Federal has a 3 inch 20 gauge mag load that will hold 18 #2 sized Buckshot.

A 20 gauge shotgun, whether it is loaded with #2, #3, or #4 Buckshot is going to be a very formidable self-defense weapon. In fact, it is probably the better gun for most homeowners to use, due to its lower recoil.

12 gauge Buckshot loads really recoil very badly. A gas operated semiauto shotgun will reduce the recoil effect some and soften it. If you are shooting a pump gun, though, your shoulder will really get slammed.

Only men with real high testosterone levels shoot 12 gauge Buckshot ammo.

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Dave McC · January 14, 2010, 08:26 PM

Lance, you never met Janice. She was cute, blond and a new CO in 1981 and had never held a gun of any type. She was also one click bigger than Tinker Bell.

After intake quals, she found she liked shooting. She also was a serious competition freak and got into 3 gun like a duck to swamp water.

In the old LE 3 gun league MD had, she stook HOA CO in 84. I was runner up.

Last i heard she was a US Marshall. And she loved 00 from an 870 and had a couple,one of which she won.

4INCHSMITH · January 14, 2010, 08:28 PM

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Only men with real high testosterone levels shoot 12 gauge Buckshot ammo.

^ ^ ^ well i guess my little sister is a real man... I live with her and taught her how to use the HD shotgun, I don't own a 20ga.

guitar1580 · January 15, 2010, 12:39 AM

"No 000 buck load in 20 gauge is going to have 20 pellets...you must be a little confused?"

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...217***20003***

These are 4 different versions listed in midwayusa.com ... all advertised as #3 buckshot with 20 pellets. It's the only buckshot listed for 20 ga. Maybe I'm confusing #3 with 000 ??

Josh P

Webleymkv · January 15, 2010, 01:00 AM

#3 and 000 Buckshot are two very different things. #3 Buck is the second smallest buckshot size ahead of #4 and behind #2 (in shotgun pellets, the smaller the number the larger the pellet and vice versa) and each pellet is .25" in diameter. 000 (pronounced "triple-ought") on the other hand is the largest commonly available buckshot and the second largest period (only 0000 and tri-ball are larger) with each pellet being .36" in diameter.

Personally, I would prefer #3 Buck to 000 Buck due to the higher pellet count (a standard 2 3/4" 12 ga shell with a 1oz loading would contain 18 #3 Buck pellets but only 6 000 Buck pellets).

TxGun · January 15, 2010, 01:02 AM

"Maybe I'm confusing #3 with 000 ??"

You are. #3 buck and 000 buck are totally different loads.

Scroll down to buckshot for an explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell

noyes · January 15, 2010, 01:49 AM

20 Gauge 00 Tactical Buckshot

http://alamoammo.com/cart/shotgun-am...afd0037a5b0f9c

ADB · January 15, 2010, 12:44 PM

As far as shot sizes versus pellet count goes, it pays to remember that when using a shotgun at point blank range--which is what home defense would always be--no matter the pellet size you're dumping more or less the same raw amount of energy and lead into your target. Also at that distance, basically anything coming out of a 12 gauge barrel will be fatal, and almost anything coming out of a 20 gauge barrel will be the same. So the difference in total energy delivered between, say, #4 buck and 000 buck is not going to be very big. Pick whatever you like better.

Morgoroth · January 15, 2010, 02:30 PM

I thought I had this figured out until I read this post.
So, #4 Buckshot is not the same as #4 lead shot?
Which one is the one people always talk about useing for Coyotes?

ADB · January 15, 2010, 03:51 PM

Morgoroth, there's #4 buckshot, which has a diameter of 0.24, and #4 birdshot, which has a diameter of 0.13. For coyotes, people are probably using buckshot.

hogdogs · January 15, 2010, 04:47 PM

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#4 Buckshot would be far better. It will do damage over a wider area.

Most shot patterns expand in diameter at nearly the same rate for the most part so the above is not really accurate...

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A 20 gauge shotgun, whether it is loaded with #2, #3, or #4 Buckshot is going to be a very formidable self-defense weapon. In fact, it is probably the better gun for most homeowners to use, due to its lower recoil.

Weight of gun being lighter, recoil will feel the same with a lower power shell with lesser payload. A full power load in 20 will be a pretty stout recoil compared to the full power load from a 12.

Brent

guitar1580 · January 15, 2010, 05:22 PM

Thanks, the charts are helpful, although I dont totally understand the top one fully. I've never seen the BB, BBB, F and T designations.

Heck, I never even knew that #1, 2, and 3 existed. Below #4, I've only heard folks mention buck, or slugs.

JP

January 14, 2010, 01:38 AM	#8
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,857	000 is great. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

January 14, 2010, 09:10 AM	#10
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	No 000 buck load in 20 gauge is going to have 20 pellets...you must be a little confused? __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

January 15, 2010, 01:49 AM	#17
noyes Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 1,032	20 Gauge 00 Tactical Buckshot http://alamoammo.com/cart/shotgun-am...afd0037a5b0f9c Last edited by noyes; January 15, 2010 at 01:57 AM.

January 12, 2010, 11:47 AM	#1
balazona Member Join Date: May 5, 2008 Location: Bahrain Posts: 85	Federal "Classic" 12 gauge OOO buckshots Hi guys, how is Federal "Classic" 12 gauge 2-3/4" OOO buckshots for HD purpose?are they good to use in 18" smooth bore Maverick shotgun?

January 12, 2010, 05:43 PM	#2
sleeper614 Member Join Date: December 14, 2009 Posts: 52	yeah its good for home defense. i shoot federal in my maverick

January 12, 2010, 10:14 PM	#3
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	Yes, it's good stuff. Why use 00 when you can use 000? Actually, there probably isn't a very discernible difference between the two when it comes to the end result. __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

January 14, 2010, 12:53 AM	#4
ADB Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2009 Posts: 399	Any kind of buckshot is going to be more than adequate for your needs.

January 14, 2010, 01:04 AM	#5
LanceOregon Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,774	#4 Buckshot would be far better. It will do damage over a wider area. .

January 14, 2010, 01:18 AM	#6
noyes Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 1,032	000 is great for that extra penetration go thru the sternum (breastbone) to that (vital) heart.

January 14, 2010, 01:31 AM	#7
LanceOregon Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,774	That is an absolute myth that #4 Buckshot will not destroy vital organs. .

January 14, 2010, 04:53 AM	#9
guitar1580 Senior Member Join Date: December 8, 2009 Posts: 201	000 is exactly what I've been planning on getting for my new 20 ga. The ones I was looking at contained 20 pellets in a 20ga round. I agree that #4 hunting rounds would prove to be quite wicked also, at a much lesser price. I wouldn't want to be in the path of any of them, near, far, or in between! Josh P

January 14, 2010, 07:51 PM	#11
LanceOregon Junior member Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,774	Biggest Buckshot normally loaded in 20 gauge is #2 Buckshot. Federal has a 3 inch 20 gauge mag load that will hold 18 #2 sized Buckshot. A 20 gauge shotgun, whether it is loaded with #2, #3, or #4 Buckshot is going to be a very formidable self-defense weapon. In fact, it is probably the better gun for most homeowners to use, due to its lower recoil. 12 gauge Buckshot loads really recoil very badly. A gas operated semiauto shotgun will reduce the recoil effect some and soften it. If you are shooting a pump gun, though, your shoulder will really get slammed. Only men with real high testosterone levels shoot 12 gauge Buckshot ammo. .

January 14, 2010, 08:26 PM	#12
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Lance, you never met Janice. She was cute, blond and a new CO in 1981 and had never held a gun of any type. She was also one click bigger than Tinker Bell. After intake quals, she found she liked shooting. She also was a serious competition freak and got into 3 gun like a duck to swamp water. In the old LE 3 gun league MD had, she stook HOA CO in 84. I was runner up. Last i heard she was a US Marshall. And she loved 00 from an 870 and had a couple,one of which she won.

January 15, 2010, 12:39 AM	#14
guitar1580 Senior Member Join Date: December 8, 2009 Posts: 201	"No 000 buck load in 20 gauge is going to have 20 pellets...you must be a little confused?" http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...217*20003* These are 4 different versions listed in midwayusa.com ... all advertised as #3 buckshot with 20 pellets. It's the only buckshot listed for 20 ga. Maybe I'm confusing #3 with 000 ?? Josh P

January 15, 2010, 01:00 AM	#15
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	#3 and 000 Buckshot are two very different things. #3 Buck is the second smallest buckshot size ahead of #4 and behind #2 (in shotgun pellets, the smaller the number the larger the pellet and vice versa) and each pellet is .25" in diameter. 000 (pronounced "triple-ought") on the other hand is the largest commonly available buckshot and the second largest period (only 0000 and tri-ball are larger) with each pellet being .36" in diameter. Personally, I would prefer #3 Buck to 000 Buck due to the higher pellet count (a standard 2 3/4" 12 ga shell with a 1oz loading would contain 18 #3 Buck pellets but only 6 000 Buck pellets).

January 15, 2010, 01:02 AM	#16
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Family ranch - Central TX. Posts: 467	"Maybe I'm confusing #3 with 000 ??" You are. #3 buck and 000 buck are totally different loads. Scroll down to buckshot for an explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell

January 15, 2010, 12:44 PM	#18
ADB Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2009 Posts: 399	As far as shot sizes versus pellet count goes, it pays to remember that when using a shotgun at point blank range--which is what home defense would always be--no matter the pellet size you're dumping more or less the same raw amount of energy and lead into your target. Also at that distance, basically anything coming out of a 12 gauge barrel will be fatal, and almost anything coming out of a 20 gauge barrel will be the same. So the difference in total energy delivered between, say, #4 buck and 000 buck is not going to be very big. Pick whatever you like better.

January 15, 2010, 02:30 PM	#19
Morgoroth Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2010 Posts: 198	I thought I had this figured out until I read this post. So, #4 Buckshot is not the same as #4 lead shot? Which one is the one people always talk about useing for Coyotes?

January 15, 2010, 03:51 PM	#20
ADB Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2009 Posts: 399	Morgoroth, there's #4 buckshot, which has a diameter of 0.24, and #4 birdshot, which has a diameter of 0.13. For coyotes, people are probably using buckshot.

January 15, 2010, 05:22 PM	#22
guitar1580 Senior Member Join Date: December 8, 2009 Posts: 201	Thanks, the charts are helpful, although I dont totally understand the top one fully. I've never seen the BB, BBB, F and T designations. Heck, I never even knew that #1, 2, and 3 existed. Below #4, I've only heard folks mention buck, or slugs. JP