Two gun bills in hearings today (tue 1/27).

MSSA LegCoord · January 27, 2015, 10:52 AM

IF YOU’RE A MONTANA VOTER, PLEASE SEND MESSAGES, MAKE CALLS AND SHARE THIS POST.
Greetings, Montanans! Today, 1/27, the MSSA has two bills in hearing. The first is SB 143, Campus Carry bill and the second is HB 203, our bill to prohibit the enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees.
If you can’t come to Helena to appear before the Committee, please send messages to Committee members via the Legislative online messaging system. You can send one message to all committee members at one time via the online legislative message form at:
http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp A message in support of SB 143 Campus Carry should be sent to the SENATE Judiciary Committee. A message in support of HB 203, to prohibit the enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees should be sent to the HOUSE Judiciary Committee. Be BRIEF. Legislators are so very swamped with material to read (they speak of it as “drinking from a fire hose”) that they simply don’t have time to and won’t read a long message. One short paragraph would be good. Just saying “Please support [MSSA Bill Number].″ would be sufficient. Please do this, folks. Both of these bills are important, particularly HB 203. You can read bill text, MSSA notes and current status for these, and all other MSSA Bills at http://www.mtssa.org/?page_id=158 Let me know if you have questions or need assistance. Elisa

A pause for the COZ · January 27, 2015, 06:16 PM

There was one part in the bill that I really liked and wish was again the law of the land.
The Feds had never had arrest powers on non federal lands.
They could not even carry a gun.

It needs to go back to the way it was.

Here is the part I liked. Hope it passes.

Section 3. County sheriff's permission for federal arrests, searches, and seizures -- exceptions. (1) A federal employee who is not designated by Montana law as a Montana peace officer may not make an arrest, search, or seizure in this state without the written permission of the sheriff or designee of the sheriff of the county in which the arrest, search, or seizure will occur unless:

(a) the arrest, search, or seizure will take place on a federal enclave for which jurisdiction has been actively ceded to the United States of America by a Montana statute;

(b) the federal employee witnesses the commission of a crime the nature of which requires an immediate arrest;

(c) the arrest, search, or seizure is under the provisions of 46-6-411 or 46-6-412;

(d) the intended subject of the arrest, search, or seizure is an employee of the sheriff's office or is an elected county or state officer; or

(e) the federal employee has probable cause to believe that the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure has close connections with the sheriff that are likely to result in the subject being informed of the impending arrest, search, or seizure.

(2) The county sheriff or designee of the sheriff may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the sheriff or designee considers sufficient.

(3) A federal employee who desires to exercise an exception under subsection (1)(d) shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general for the arrest, search, or seizure unless the resulting delay in obtaining the permission would probably cause serious harm to one or more individuals or to a community or would probably allow time for flight of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure in order to avoid prosecution. The attorney general may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient.

(4) A federal employee who desires to exercise an exception under subsection (1)(e) shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general. The request for permission must include a written statement, under oath, describing the federal employee's probable cause. The attorney general may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient.

(5) (a) A permission request to the county sheriff or Montana attorney general must contain:

(i) the name of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure;

(ii) a clear statement of probable cause for the arrest, search, or seizure or a federal arrest, search, or seizure warrant that contains a clear statement of probable cause;

(iii) a complete statement that particularly describes the place to be searched, the things to be searched for, and the persons or things to be seized;

(iv) a statement of the date and time that the arrest, search, or seizure is to occur; and

(v) the address or location where the intended arrest, search, or seizure will be attempted.

(b) To constitute valid permission, the request may be in letter form, either typed or handwritten, but must be countersigned with the original signature of the county sheriff or designee of the sheriff or by the Montana attorney general. The written permission is valid for 48 hours after it is signed. The sheriff or attorney general shall keep a copy of the permission request on file.

MSSA LegCoord · January 27, 2015, 07:10 PM

A pause for the COZ

Thanks for your note. HB 203 Hearing started today in the House Judiciary Committee and we need everyone to send messages in support of this, and the other MSSA bills that are currently in dire need of support.

MONTANANS, PLEASE SHARE THIS POST. Time to write a quick message to the Committee Members for these bills, which are currently in hearings! PLEASE take a moment to do this. All you have to say is "Please support [MSSA bill number]. Thank You." and you can write one note to be sent to all committee members at once. THESE BILLS ARE CURRENTLY IN HEARINGS! PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO HELP US DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS!

*SB 122 Smokeless Powder and Primer Production in Montana (CURRENTLY IN COMMITTEE HEARING) Send a message to the Senate Taxation Committee Members in support of SB 122: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp

*HB 203 Prohibit enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees (PUBLIC HEARING TUE 1/27 AT 8:00 AM) Send a message to the House Judiciary Committee Members in support of HB 203 : http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp

*SB 143 University system gun bans, Campus Carry (PUBLIC HEARING TUE 1/27 AT 9:00 AM) Send a message to the Senate Judiciary Committee Members in support of SB 143: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp

*HB 274 Sheriffs First (PUBLIC HEARING FRI 1/30 AT 8:00 AM) Send a message to the House Judiciary Committee Members in support of HB 274: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp

*SB 130 Home Guard (PUBLIC HEARING MON 1/26 AT 3:00pm) Send a message to the Senate State Administration Committee Members in support of SB 130: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp

Complete status and info on MSSA bills here: http://www.mtssa.org/?page_id=158

January 27, 2015, 10:52 AM	#1
MSSA LegCoord Junior Member Join Date: December 12, 2014 Posts: 12	Two gun bills in hearings today (tue 1/27). IF YOU’RE A MONTANA VOTER, PLEASE SEND MESSAGES, MAKE CALLS AND SHARE THIS POST. Greetings, Montanans! Today, 1/27, the MSSA has two bills in hearing. The first is SB 143, Campus Carry bill and the second is HB 203, our bill to prohibit the enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees. If you can’t come to Helena to appear before the Committee, please send messages to Committee members via the Legislative online messaging system. You can send one message to all committee members at one time via the online legislative message form at: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp A message in support of SB 143 Campus Carry should be sent to the SENATE Judiciary Committee. A message in support of HB 203, to prohibit the enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees should be sent to the HOUSE Judiciary Committee. Be BRIEF. Legislators are so very swamped with material to read (they speak of it as “drinking from a fire hose”) that they simply don’t have time to and won’t read a long message. One short paragraph would be good. Just saying “Please support [MSSA Bill Number].″ would be sufficient. Please do this, folks. Both of these bills are important, particularly HB 203. You can read bill text, MSSA notes and current status for these, and all other MSSA Bills at http://www.mtssa.org/?page_id=158 Let me know if you have questions or need assistance. Elisa

January 27, 2015, 07:10 PM	#3
MSSA LegCoord Junior Member Join Date: December 12, 2014 Posts: 12	MONTANA - Please Help Us Get Our Pro Gun Bills Passed! We NEED Your help! A pause for the COZ Thanks for your note. HB 203 Hearing started today in the House Judiciary Committee and we need everyone to send messages in support of this, and the other MSSA bills that are currently in dire need of support. MONTANANS, PLEASE SHARE THIS POST. Time to write a quick message to the Committee Members for these bills, which are currently in hearings! PLEASE take a moment to do this. All you have to say is "Please support [MSSA bill number]. Thank You." and you can write one note to be sent to all committee members at once. THESE BILLS ARE CURRENTLY IN HEARINGS! PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO HELP US DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS! SB 122 Smokeless Powder and Primer Production in Montana (CURRENTLY IN COMMITTEE HEARING) Send a message to the Senate Taxation Committee Members in support of SB 122: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp HB 203 Prohibit enforcement of new federal gun laws by Montana public employees (PUBLIC HEARING TUE 1/27 AT 8:00 AM) Send a message to the House Judiciary Committee Members in support of HB 203 : http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp SB 143 University system gun bans, Campus Carry (PUBLIC HEARING TUE 1/27 AT 9:00 AM) Send a message to the Senate Judiciary Committee Members in support of SB 143: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp HB 274 Sheriffs First (PUBLIC HEARING FRI 1/30 AT 8:00 AM) Send a message to the House Judiciary Committee Members in support of HB 274: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp *SB 130 Home Guard (PUBLIC HEARING MON 1/26 AT 3:00pm) Send a message to the Senate State Administration Committee Members in support of SB 130: http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...webmessage.asp Complete status and info on MSSA bills here: http://www.mtssa.org/?page_id=158

January 27, 2015, 06:16 PM	#2
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	There was one part in the bill that I really liked and wish was again the law of the land. The Feds had never had arrest powers on non federal lands. They could not even carry a gun. It needs to go back to the way it was. Here is the part I liked. Hope it passes. Section 3. County sheriff's permission for federal arrests, searches, and seizures -- exceptions. (1) A federal employee who is not designated by Montana law as a Montana peace officer may not make an arrest, search, or seizure in this state without the written permission of the sheriff or designee of the sheriff of the county in which the arrest, search, or seizure will occur unless: (a) the arrest, search, or seizure will take place on a federal enclave for which jurisdiction has been actively ceded to the United States of America by a Montana statute; (b) the federal employee witnesses the commission of a crime the nature of which requires an immediate arrest; (c) the arrest, search, or seizure is under the provisions of 46-6-411 or 46-6-412; (d) the intended subject of the arrest, search, or seizure is an employee of the sheriff's office or is an elected county or state officer; or (e) the federal employee has probable cause to believe that the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure has close connections with the sheriff that are likely to result in the subject being informed of the impending arrest, search, or seizure. (2) The county sheriff or designee of the sheriff may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the sheriff or designee considers sufficient. (3) A federal employee who desires to exercise an exception under subsection (1)(d) shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general for the arrest, search, or seizure unless the resulting delay in obtaining the permission would probably cause serious harm to one or more individuals or to a community or would probably allow time for flight of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure in order to avoid prosecution. The attorney general may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient. (4) A federal employee who desires to exercise an exception under subsection (1)(e) shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general. The request for permission must include a written statement, under oath, describing the federal employee's probable cause. The attorney general may refuse to grant permission for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient. (5) (a) A permission request to the county sheriff or Montana attorney general must contain: (i) the name of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure; (ii) a clear statement of probable cause for the arrest, search, or seizure or a federal arrest, search, or seizure warrant that contains a clear statement of probable cause; (iii) a complete statement that particularly describes the place to be searched, the things to be searched for, and the persons or things to be seized; (iv) a statement of the date and time that the arrest, search, or seizure is to occur; and (v) the address or location where the intended arrest, search, or seizure will be attempted. (b) To constitute valid permission, the request may be in letter form, either typed or handwritten, but must be countersigned with the original signature of the county sheriff or designee of the sheriff or by the Montana attorney general. The written permission is valid for 48 hours after it is signed. The sheriff or attorney general shall keep a copy of the permission request on file.