Sig Sauer ACP vertical grip okay?

Skarekrow88 · November 8, 2014, 11:24 PM

I have one of Sigs adaptive carbine platforms and I was wondering if putting a vertical grip on the rail would make it an AOW? If so how difficult is it to do an ATF form 1 and get it registered?

Willie Lowman · November 9, 2014, 10:03 AM

Yes putting a vertical grip on it would make it an AOW.

dogtown tom · November 9, 2014, 10:54 AM

Making an AOW via a Form 1 is a $200 tax stamp
Making an SBR via a Form 1 is a $200 tax stamp and you can use an actual shoulder stock.

Willie Lowman · November 9, 2014, 01:21 PM

The only good reason to register the gun as an AOW is if your state does not allow SBRs

Sharkbite · November 9, 2014, 03:38 PM

With a trust you can E-file the application and those apps have been coming back pretty quickly

Bill DeShivs · November 9, 2014, 03:44 PM

I don't know what a "SIG adaptive carbine" is, but if it is actually a carbine a vertical front grip is fine. If it's a pistol, NFA laws come into play.
I never quite figured out the vertical front grip anyway. It was done on the Thompson to clear the drum magazines. Without the drums, the horizontal grip works just fine. What is the modern reasoning behind vertical grips?

Sharkbite · November 9, 2014, 04:12 PM

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I don't know what a "SIG adaptive carbine" is, but if it is actually a carbine a vertical front grip is fine. If it's a pistol, NFA laws come into play.

Yep, its a pistol. Or rather its an accessory you add to your pistol. Im not real clear on the usefullness, other then it adds rails all over your pistol and a sling attachment point.

For the OP. Adding a VFG to a pistol takes you into NFA territory, but one of the angled fore grips (like the Magpul AFG) does not.

TMD · November 10, 2014, 08:18 AM

Bi-pod is ok but vertical grip isn't. Stupid law.

Willie Lowman · November 10, 2014, 11:23 AM

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What is the modern reasoning behind vertical grips?

Some folks prefer the ergonomics of a vertical front grip. Some folks, myself included, think that a vertical front grip gives them more control during rapid fire. Some folks like vertical grips because they are tacticool. Some folks like them because cranky old timers think horizontal grips are the end-all be-all of forend grips and they want to do something different.

Skarekrow88 · November 11, 2014, 09:14 AM

Thats what I was afraid of. I suppose I'll just give the Magpul AFG2 a go. Thanks for all the input.

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What is the modern reasoning behind vertical grips?

"...aid in the maneuverability of the firearm, since the natural angle of a person's outstretched hand is more oriented to grasping objects at a vertical angle, rather than a horizontal one perpendicular to the body."

Venom1956 · November 11, 2014, 06:07 PM

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"...aid in the maneuverability of the firearm, since the natural angle of a person's outstretched hand is more oriented to grasping objects at a vertical angle, rather than a horizontal one perpendicular to the body."

AKA... Marketing.

Bill DeShivs · November 11, 2014, 07:23 PM

Well thank you, Willie-for that succinct reply.
Most of the old timers don't believe in reinventing the wheel, but you stubborn young ones have to find out for yourselves, I guess.

Willie Lowman · November 12, 2014, 12:47 PM

We're doin' our best, Bill!

Bill DeShivs · November 12, 2014, 02:49 PM

Perfect!

dogtown tom · November 12, 2014, 06:36 PM

While some may pooh pooh the idea of forward vertical grips........do a mag dump or two on full auto and then you'll appreciate not having to grab a standard AR forearm.

Even sustained semiauto fire makes an M4 pretty darn warm.

November 8, 2014, 11:24 PM	#1
Skarekrow88 Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 332	Sig Sauer ACP vertical grip okay? I have one of Sigs adaptive carbine platforms and I was wondering if putting a vertical grip on the rail would make it an AOW? If so how difficult is it to do an ATF form 1 and get it registered? __________________ "A life fought for others is a life worth living"

November 9, 2014, 10:54 AM	#3
dogtown tom Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 3,074	Making an AOW via a Form 1 is a $200 tax stamp Making an SBR via a Form 1 is a $200 tax stamp and you can use an actual shoulder stock. __________________ Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers) Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

November 9, 2014, 03:44 PM	#6
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	I don't know what a "SIG adaptive carbine" is, but if it is actually a carbine a vertical front grip is fine. If it's a pistol, NFA laws come into play. I never quite figured out the vertical front grip anyway. It was done on the Thompson to clear the drum magazines. Without the drums, the horizontal grip works just fine. What is the modern reasoning behind vertical grips? __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 11, 2014, 07:23 PM	#12
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Well thank you, Willie-for that succinct reply. Most of the old timers don't believe in reinventing the wheel, but you stubborn young ones have to find out for yourselves, I guess. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 12, 2014, 02:49 PM	#14
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Perfect! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 9, 2014, 10:03 AM	#2
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Yes putting a vertical grip on it would make it an AOW.

November 9, 2014, 01:21 PM	#4
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	The *only* good reason to register the gun as an AOW is if your state does not allow SBRs

November 9, 2014, 03:38 PM	#5
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	With a trust you can E-file the application and those apps have been coming back pretty quickly

November 10, 2014, 08:18 AM	#8
TMD Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,293	Bi-pod is ok but vertical grip isn't. Stupid law.

November 12, 2014, 12:47 PM	#13
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	We're doin' our best, Bill!

November 12, 2014, 06:36 PM	#15
dogtown tom Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 3,074	While some may pooh pooh the idea of forward vertical grips........do a mag dump or two on full auto and then you'll appreciate not having to grab a standard AR forearm. Even sustained semiauto fire makes an M4 pretty darn warm. __________________ Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers) Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE