What's your ideal 10mm Auto?

TruthTellers · August 20, 2018, 11:55 AM

Was thinking lately about how few, clearly different 10mm's are out there. Right now there's three different types of 10mm pistols available.

1. 1911
2. Doublestack 1911 (Rock Island)
3. Glock

If you could have any manufacturer make a 10mm pistol, what do you want it to be?

Personally, I want it polymer framed, either DA/SA or SAO, doublestack, and with a 5 inch barrel.

Most importantly, I want to be able to use the mags in a carbine and that brought me to realizing the only companies that could or are making 10mm carbines are Ruger with their PC carbine and Hi Point, as they make a 10mm carbine now.

Dave P · August 20, 2018, 12:04 PM

Tanfoglio has some nice, double stack choices. And the old S&W 1000 series are tough to beat.

Astocks2622 · August 20, 2018, 12:14 PM

You totally skipped the Tanfoglio line imported by EAA. Polymer or steel frame CZ 75 copies. I have the all steel Stock 1 in 10mm. DA/SA hammer fired with true thumb safety, NOT a decocker so I can carry cocked and locked like a 1911. 4.75" bull barrel, low bore axis, 14+1. And it can handle full power loads with ease. You can also swap any caliber large frame slide assy on to your frame. I have a 9mm longslide and mags that I can run on the same lower frame for cheaper practice (though I always finish a range session with full house 10mm loads). This is my primary sidearm when I'm in the woods here in Alaska.
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Astocks2622 · August 20, 2018, 12:15 PM

Also, supposedly Springfield is adding the 10mm to their XDM line, but no with on a release date.

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BarryLee · August 20, 2018, 12:20 PM

I wanted a 10mm more than I wanted GLOCK, but felt like it was the best choice. GLOCKs don't elicit a big positive emotional response like a 1911, but it has ben a rock solid gun and great value.

Areoflyer09 · August 20, 2018, 12:20 PM

Both of my 10mms are Tanfoglios.

-Limited Pro - DA/SA, 4.75” barrel, 7lb double action and 3lb single action
-Hunter - SAO, 6” barrel, 3lb trigger

I haven’t experienced another brand of 10mm that would get me to change from the Tanfos yet. Ive gotten to run a custom 1911 and it was fun to shoot, but I don’t love the platform so it doesn’t tempt me much.

Just Right Carbine has a 10mm model that uses Glock mags. The Kriss Vector 10mm also uses Glock mags.

CDW4ME · August 20, 2018, 12:28 PM

I've got Glock 20SF, Delta Elite, Ruger 10mm, Kimber TLE 10mm - they all good.

RickB · August 20, 2018, 12:45 PM

Dan Wesson makes, or made, a hi-cap 1911 based on the Caspian stack-and-a-half frame, which is smaller in circumference than other metal-framed hi-caps, at the cost of a few rounds of capacity, called the Titan.
If I really wanted a $3000 10mm that holds more rounds than a single stack, I'd probably go that way.

After Vltor screwed-up their revival of the Bren Ten, there still seemed to be a demand for it, and another project is apparently going to actually bear fruit, in the form of the Combat Service Pistol, from Chuck Warner.
A Bren Ten clone, made to high quality standards, would be nice gun.
I've held an original, and if the reboot actually holds 15 rounds in a Witness magazine, and shoots well?
Another $3000+ option.

Sevens · August 20, 2018, 12:54 PM

I have been a card-carrying 10mm aficionado since my formative years being indoctrinated, one month at a time by the inside-back-cover-of-G&A writings of Jeff Cooper. I knew that one day I must own and carry a 10mm handgun and I got my first 10mm in 1995 (S&W 1006) and then finally got a carry license and a Glock 29 in 2008.

I love the 1006 but it isn't a perfect handgun. The Glock 29 isn't either, but it's probably closer to perfect for me.

Thing is, all the available evidence doesn't add up properly. I own more S&W 1-2-3rd Gens than most folks would believe or could stomach. They are the single focus of what I own, love, collect and chase. At the same time, I pretty much respect but cannot stand Glock pistols. My G29 is the only Glock I own, and I've only owned three. I expect to wander through the next (hopefully!) 45 years of my life never buying or owning another Glock, but this G29 has been an absolute ROCK for me, and it is the pistol I want to shoot 10mm out of.

Have shot a few Glock 20's and like my 29 more. Would try a G41 but if someone gave me one, I'd sell it and buy groceries with the proceeds. I had a Colt Delta Elite and it wasn't worth the (decent!) price I spent on it, it was not fun to shoot and it used plastic in places even my Glock wasn't dumb enough to use plastic. (guide rod!) I was thrilled to sell the Delta Elite.

I don't even know the point of what I've said here.

But it's how I feel about my 10mm pistols.

Sevens · August 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

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After Vltor screwed-up their revival of the Bren Ten

Well I beg to differ, Sir. Vltor made pretty much a perfect follow-up to the entire laughable Bren Ten debacle. They managed to upset a slew of people and build a gun that was just as capable as the original.

As far as I am concerned, the Dornaus & Dixon effort and the Vltor effort are equals. Both of them smell like like a corn-filled log.

grinner · August 20, 2018, 06:07 PM

Doesn’t SIG Sauer offer a 10 mm p220? I think it is one of the Legion series, so isn’t cheap. It also isn’t polymer or double stack.

MarkCO · August 20, 2018, 06:21 PM

Have a 20SF that shares mags with an AR pattern 16" carbine, a Razorback and a S&W 610.

Model12Win · August 20, 2018, 06:21 PM

Glock.

BigJimP · August 20, 2018, 06:31 PM

I'm not a big 10mm fan....but if I were, it would be a full sized 5" barrel in a 1911 from Wilson Combat.

If I was on a budget...it would be the Springfield TRP.

Rangerrich99 · August 20, 2018, 07:07 PM

I was looking at 10mms awhile back, as both a woods gun and for handgun hunting. Since I was considering using it for deer, I decided that I wanted a really good trigger, which left the Glocks out. If I was still in the market for one, I'd probably get a 1911 version.

If I was only interested in SD/woods gun, I'd probably pick the Glock.

51.50 · August 20, 2018, 07:14 PM

Dan Wesson 10mm Match . Thinking about a new Glock to add the very small collection.

DubC-Hicks · August 20, 2018, 07:19 PM

Glock 20 or 40 for me. Whichever barrel length you wish.

And since you mentioned a carbine with matching mags, the Vector in 10mm is a good platform.

jmr40 · August 20, 2018, 07:30 PM

Some day I'm going to run across a good deal on a Smith 1006 at the same time that I have money to spare to buy it. I've never had both of those match up at the same time.

Until then my G29 is ideal for my needs. I've had a G20 for years and like it, but after trying the smaller G29 the bigger gun just doesn't get used much. I shoot both of them equally well, the G29 carries a lot easier and I can use either 10 or 15 round mags in it.

Those are the only 2 platforms that have proven reliable with 10mm. The 1911's and others have had their issues, plus if I'm buying a 1911 I want 45.

The Sig 220 is an unknown at this time, but might be a possibility.

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If I was only interested in SD/woods gun, I'd probably pick the Glock.

Which is the only place I use a 10mm, and why my G29 is ideal for me. There isn't anything out there that combines 16 rounds of ammo that powerful in a package anywhere near that small and light.

JDBerg · August 20, 2018, 09:03 PM

There are a lot of good ones, but my top pick would be a Dan Wesson 10mm Commander Classic Bobtail. DW currently offers this gun in .45ACP but they haven’t made the 10mm in several years.

M4BGRINGO · August 20, 2018, 09:25 PM

Have a S&W610 I run lots of different loads through, from frog fart .40's that feel like a hot .22LR, to red-hot 10mm that let loose a NICE fireball! Also have a 1911 in 10mm. That being said, neither are polymer nor double stack. I have never bought a polymer gun, and honestly, never plan on. Have shot some, just don't do anything for me. I'm a stainless steel guy through and through..........

Model12Win · August 20, 2018, 09:54 PM

Nowadays, 10mm is more a hunstman's cartridge or for bears.

It is no longer a fighting cartridge. It gives up too much in recoil recovery and all handguns have the same stopping power anyway so everyone carries a 9mm or .45 for defense.

Northrider · August 21, 2018, 12:10 AM

I like my Delta Elite more than I liked my Glock in 10. It was partly me I am sure, but my Glock had several stove pipes, and had issues with my reloads. No issues so far with the Colt.

agtman · August 21, 2018, 08:03 AM

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Doesn’t SIG Sauer offer a 10 mm p220? I think it is one of the Legion series, so isn’t cheap. It also isn’t polymer or double stack.

I own the Elite Match DA/SA 10mm P220 that comes with the fixed SigLite night sights. It's very accurate, has a decent trigger pull in either mode, and the 5" tube, like the Bren Ten had, offers the maximum practical length for keeping velocity up without becoming unwieldy. It's also been totally reliable through some 400+ rds now, factory and handloads.

Still, it's a large, heavy, stainless steel pistol - and it ain't cheap.

The real downside is the overly stingy 8-rd single-stack 10mm mag. Smith's old 10XX-series guns held 9-rds, and with a differently designed follower or a slightly extended floor plate they could've held 10- or 11-rds.

Why Sig chose to engineer an 8-rd-only magazine, I have no idea. Cooper often cited the 10mm's thinner cartridge diameter as one of the benefits over the 'fat' stubby .45acp cartridge because it automatically enhanced capacity by allowing you to stuff 2 or maybe 3 even more cartridges in the magazine, depending on design (single-stack v. double-stack) as well as grip circumference.

That said, Sig's Elite 10mm is a really nice pistol, and it's definitely state-of-the-art if you're looking for an all-steel 10mm.

the possum · August 22, 2018, 10:41 AM

My brother has a Tanfoglio 6" hunter model in 10mm. I used to own a regular sized Witness in .45 ACP, and really liked that gun. (had to sell it for fast cash years ago)

I note that right now you can buy a Rock Island 1911 in 10mm for only $430.
https://www.rkguns.com/rock-island-m...tol-51508.html

COSteve · August 22, 2018, 10:49 AM

I modified my Glock G21 into a longslide 45acp back in early 2004 with a German steel slide and Jarvis 6" 45acp barrel. It's a great shooter and the longer sight radius and extra 4.75 oz at the muzzle really make it a great target gun. Here's a picture of it with my G22.

Later that year I got a wild hair and after some evaluation and mocking up with my G22 Barrel, I asked Kevin at KKM Precision to make me the world's first 45-10MM conversion barrel for it as I was intrigued by the 10mm's performance. I wanted to make the first ever G20/21L. Here it is a couple minutes after I first put the pieces together staged with the Jarvis 45 barrel in it.

Here it is with the 45-10MM conversion barrel installed; the world's first 6" Glock G20 longslide. Performance with my 165grn handloads in it are very impressive with velocities over 1,500fps. I can get over 1,400fps with my 180grn loads so it's a great woods gun.

After a few years, I decided to run it in USPSA limited just for the heck of it so I got a magwell and did some trigger work. When I considered a FO front sight and also decided to pretty it up a bit by hardchroming the slide. So, now it looks like this.

With more than 9K hot 10mm rds through it, I absolutely love it. It's a great shooter and going at steel plates at 200yds is a joy with it. For out in the woods, I remove the magwell and I've got 17+1 rds of firebreathing 10mm performance. Even better than the 45 Super loads I also shoot out of it.

August 20, 2018, 11:55 AM	#1
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	What's your ideal 10mm Auto? Was thinking lately about how few, clearly different 10mm's are out there. Right now there's three different types of 10mm pistols available. 1. 1911 2. Doublestack 1911 (Rock Island) 3. Glock If you could have any manufacturer make a 10mm pistol, what do you want it to be? Personally, I want it polymer framed, either DA/SA or SAO, doublestack, and with a 5 inch barrel. Most importantly, I want to be able to use the mags in a carbine and that brought me to realizing the only companies that could or are making 10mm carbines are Ruger with their PC carbine and Hi Point, as they make a 10mm carbine now. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

August 20, 2018, 12:04 PM	#2
Dave P Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Location: North Florida Posts: 1,346	Tanfoglio has some nice, double stack choices. And the old S&W 1000 series are tough to beat. __________________ I think this country is screwed.

August 20, 2018, 12:20 PM	#5
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	I wanted a 10mm more than I wanted GLOCK, but felt like it was the best choice. GLOCKs don't elicit a big positive emotional response like a 1911, but it has ben a rock solid gun and great value. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

August 20, 2018, 12:28 PM	#7
CDW4ME Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 1,321	I've got Glock 20SF, Delta Elite, Ruger 10mm, Kimber TLE 10mm - they all good. __________________ Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere; forget that good area bullcrap. "Wouldn't want to / Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.

August 20, 2018, 12:45 PM	#8
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	Dan Wesson makes, or made, a hi-cap 1911 based on the Caspian stack-and-a-half frame, which is smaller in circumference than other metal-framed hi-caps, at the cost of a few rounds of capacity, called the Titan. If I really wanted a $3000 10mm that holds more rounds than a single stack, I'd probably go that way. After Vltor screwed-up their revival of the Bren Ten, there still seemed to be a demand for it, and another project is apparently going to actually bear fruit, in the form of the Combat Service Pistol, from Chuck Warner. A Bren Ten clone, made to high quality standards, would be nice gun. I've held an original, and if the reboot actually holds 15 rounds in a Witness magazine, and shoots well? Another $3000+ option. __________________ Runs off at the mouth about anything 1911 related on this site and half the time is flat out wrong.

August 20, 2018, 12:14 PM	#3
Astocks2622 Member Join Date: February 1, 2014 Posts: 97	You totally skipped the Tanfoglio line imported by EAA. Polymer or steel frame CZ 75 copies. I have the all steel Stock 1 in 10mm. DA/SA hammer fired with true thumb safety, NOT a decocker so I can carry cocked and locked like a 1911. 4.75" bull barrel, low bore axis, 14+1. And it can handle full power loads with ease. You can also swap any caliber large frame slide assy on to your frame. I have a 9mm longslide and mags that I can run on the same lower frame for cheaper practice (though I always finish a range session with full house 10mm loads). This is my primary sidearm when I'm in the woods here in Alaska. 411548948_1.jpeg Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

August 20, 2018, 12:15 PM	#4
Astocks2622 Member Join Date: February 1, 2014 Posts: 97	Also, supposedly Springfield is adding the 10mm to their XDM line, but no with on a release date. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk

August 20, 2018, 12:20 PM	#6
Areoflyer09 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2017 Posts: 300	Both of my 10mms are Tanfoglios. -Limited Pro - DA/SA, 4.75” barrel, 7lb double action and 3lb single action -Hunter - SAO, 6” barrel, 3lb trigger I haven’t experienced another brand of 10mm that would get me to change from the Tanfos yet. Ive gotten to run a custom 1911 and it was fun to shoot, but I don’t love the platform so it doesn’t tempt me much. Just Right Carbine has a 10mm model that uses Glock mags. The Kriss Vector 10mm also uses Glock mags.

August 20, 2018, 12:54 PM	#9
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	I have been a card-carrying 10mm aficionado since my formative years being indoctrinated, one month at a time by the inside-back-cover-of-G&A writings of Jeff Cooper. I knew that one day I must own and carry a 10mm handgun and I got my first 10mm in 1995 (S&W 1006) and then finally got a carry license and a Glock 29 in 2008. I love the 1006 but it isn't a perfect handgun. The Glock 29 isn't either, but it's probably closer to perfect for me. Thing is, all the available evidence doesn't add up properly. I own more S&W 1-2-3rd Gens than most folks would believe or could stomach. They are the single focus of what I own, love, collect and chase. At the same time, I pretty much respect but cannot stand Glock pistols. My G29 is the only Glock I own, and I've only owned three. I expect to wander through the next (hopefully!) 45 years of my life never buying or owning another Glock, but this G29 has been an absolute ROCK for me, and it is the pistol I want to shoot 10mm out of. Have shot a few Glock 20's and like my 29 more. Would try a G41 but if someone gave me one, I'd sell it and buy groceries with the proceeds. I had a Colt Delta Elite and it wasn't worth the (decent!) price I spent on it, it was not fun to shoot and it used plastic in places even my Glock wasn't dumb enough to use plastic. (guide rod!) I was thrilled to sell the Delta Elite. I don't even know the point of what I've said here. But it's how I feel about my 10mm pistols. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

August 20, 2018, 06:07 PM	#11
grinner Member Join Date: July 26, 2018 Posts: 52	Doesn’t SIG Sauer offer a 10 mm p220? I think it is one of the Legion series, so isn’t cheap. It also isn’t polymer or double stack.

August 20, 2018, 06:21 PM	#12
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	Have a 20SF that shares mags with an AR pattern 16" carbine, a Razorback and a S&W 610. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

August 20, 2018, 06:21 PM	#13
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Glock.

August 20, 2018, 06:31 PM	#14
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I'm not a big 10mm fan....but if I were, it would be a full sized 5" barrel in a 1911 from Wilson Combat. If I was on a budget...it would be the Springfield TRP.

August 20, 2018, 07:07 PM	#15
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	I was looking at 10mms awhile back, as both a woods gun and for handgun hunting. Since I was considering using it for deer, I decided that I wanted a really good trigger, which left the Glocks out. If I was still in the market for one, I'd probably get a 1911 version. If I was only interested in SD/woods gun, I'd probably pick the Glock.

August 20, 2018, 07:14 PM	#16
51.50 Member Join Date: December 1, 2010 Posts: 66	Dan Wesson 10mm Match . Thinking about a new Glock to add the very small collection.

August 20, 2018, 07:19 PM	#17
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 1,031	Glock 20 or 40 for me. Whichever barrel length you wish. And since you mentioned a carbine with matching mags, the Vector in 10mm is a good platform. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

August 20, 2018, 09:03 PM	#19
JDBerg Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2015 Location: PA Posts: 1,835	There are a lot of good ones, but my top pick would be a Dan Wesson 10mm Commander Classic Bobtail. DW currently offers this gun in .45ACP but they haven’t made the 10mm in several years. __________________ Words to Live By: Before You Pray - Believe; Before You Speak - Listen; Before You Spend - Earn; Before You Write - Think; Before You Quit - Try; Before You Die - Live

August 20, 2018, 09:25 PM	#20
M4BGRINGO Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2011 Posts: 256	Have a S&W610 I run lots of different loads through, from frog fart .40's that feel like a hot .22LR, to red-hot 10mm that let loose a NICE fireball! Also have a 1911 in 10mm. That being said, neither are polymer nor double stack. I have never bought a polymer gun, and honestly, never plan on. Have shot some, just don't do anything for me. I'm a stainless steel guy through and through..........

August 20, 2018, 09:54 PM	#21
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Nowadays, 10mm is more a hunstman's cartridge or for bears. It is no longer a fighting cartridge. It gives up too much in recoil recovery and all handguns have the same stopping power anyway so everyone carries a 9mm or .45 for defense.

August 21, 2018, 12:10 AM	#22
Northrider Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Location: Wasilla, Alaska Posts: 228	I like my Delta Elite more than I liked my Glock in 10. It was partly me I am sure, but my Glock had several stove pipes, and had issues with my reloads. No issues so far with the Colt.

August 22, 2018, 10:41 AM	#24
the possum Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2004 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 555	My brother has a Tanfoglio 6" hunter model in 10mm. I used to own a regular sized Witness in .45 ACP, and really liked that gun. (had to sell it for fast cash years ago) I note that right now you can buy a Rock Island 1911 in 10mm for only $430. https://www.rkguns.com/rock-island-m...tol-51508.html

August 22, 2018, 10:49 AM	#25
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	I modified my Glock G21 into a longslide 45acp back in early 2004 with a German steel slide and Jarvis 6" 45acp barrel. It's a great shooter and the longer sight radius and extra 4.75 oz at the muzzle really make it a great target gun. Here's a picture of it with my G22. Later that year I got a wild hair and after some evaluation and mocking up with my G22 Barrel, I asked Kevin at KKM Precision to make me the world's first 45-10MM conversion barrel for it as I was intrigued by the 10mm's performance. I wanted to make the first ever G20/21L. Here it is a couple minutes after I first put the pieces together staged with the Jarvis 45 barrel in it. Here it is with the 45-10MM conversion barrel installed; the world's first 6" Glock G20 longslide. Performance with my 165grn handloads in it are very impressive with velocities over 1,500fps. I can get over 1,400fps with my 180grn loads so it's a great woods gun. After a few years, I decided to run it in USPSA limited just for the heck of it so I got a magwell and did some trigger work. When I considered a FO front sight and also decided to pretty it up a bit by hardchroming the slide. So, now it looks like this. With more than 9K hot 10mm rds through it, I absolutely love it. It's a great shooter and going at steel plates at 200yds is a joy with it. For out in the woods, I remove the magwell and I've got 17+1 rds of firebreathing 10mm performance. Even better than the 45 Super loads I also shoot out of it.