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Old April 9, 2011, 11:33 PM   #26
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PA has 2 muzzle loader deer seasons.
In October they allow modern muzzle loaders and in December it's flintlock only.
PA used to be flintlock only but the new season was added to accommodate modern muzzle loading.

http://archery.biz/pennsylvania/deer-season.shtml
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Old April 19, 2011, 05:54 AM   #27
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really guys some of the opinions.... i like my omega z5 because i can lanch a 240gr. .429 bullet approx. 1800fps and get 1 hole groups.at 100 yards no less. no brass no reloading brass. no priming brass. no picking brass up. wonderful weapon. inlines deserve our respect. inline users deserve respect. traditional users deserve respect. you should see what it does with 300gr. xtp.
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Old April 19, 2011, 10:29 AM   #28
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you should see what it does with 300gr. xtp.
Does it give you 1/2 hole groups at 100 yards?
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Old April 19, 2011, 04:39 PM   #29
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you should see what it does with 300gr. xtp.
You should see what a .58 Enfield does with a minie and 70 grains of powder.
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Old April 19, 2011, 11:17 PM   #30
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How about a 600 gr Stakebuster over 110 gr of FFFg?



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Old April 19, 2011, 11:38 PM   #31
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Invented in 1812, the Pauly needle gun and the other needle guns that followed were inline breech loaders that used a self-contained paper cartridge which was invented in 1808.

It wasn't much later that a saboted bullet was invented which was later improved in about 1836 as a papier-mache "sabot".




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_...uly_needle_gun

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Old April 19, 2011, 11:47 PM   #32
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That's fine. Polymer stocks, Leupold scopes, Pyrodex and plastic sabots are not.

Make an inline season!



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Old April 19, 2011, 11:49 PM   #33
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Don't need to.
They're legal where they are legal because that's the will of the majority of citizens of each state and their current use has clearly been deemed to be in the public interest.
When the people spoke, the state governments listened.

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Old April 20, 2011, 03:48 AM   #34
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So that's why Ms. now has a primitive weapons season that includes breech loading cartridge rifles with smokeless powder and scopes.
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Old April 20, 2011, 05:17 AM   #35
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Does it give you 1/2 hole groups at 100 yards?
3 shot groups a little over a inch.
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Old April 20, 2011, 10:01 AM   #36
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So that's why Ms. now has a primitive weapons season that includes breech loading cartridge rifles with smokeless powder and scopes.
Mississippi has too many deer and not enough hunters to keep their population under control. When some states choose to pass conservative regulations restricting muzzle loading technology that would normally be allowed, then others states like Mississippi pick up the slack and pass liberal regulations. State regulations amount to being a tit for tat.

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Facts About Mississippi's Fish And Wildlife Resources:

Mississippi has a deer population of approximately 2 million, the highest per acre of all states.

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...The most popular chambering was the .45-70. Hunters quickly learned these lightweight rifles kicked at both ends, but did the job. Then word came that hunters could use optical scopes on these new primitive firearms. Hundreds more hunters joined the ranks of hunting the primitive seasons, which was a good thing to help with the overall statewide deer management program...

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...Some of these same critics argue that the Magnolia State crossed the line in 2005 when it redefined the definition of a primitive weapon by including breechloading rifles as legal firearms for deer. Like it or not, this new law appears to be anchored with public support. Deer hunters in Mississippi were very open to the change in the law, and the sale of related weapons has progressively increased over the last few years...

....Since Mississippi has one of the highest whitetail densities per square mile in North America, and since the number of hunters in the field has been falling nationwide in recent years, this new law was intended to increase opportunities for hunters to enjoy deer hunting during the primitive weapons season. Obviously, the real goal was to increase the number of hunters in the field during that season, which in turn would increase the total deer harvest....

BALLISTIC COMPARISONS

...My .50-caliber muzzleloader loaded with a Barnes PBT (Polymer Boat Tailed) sabot bullet and 150 grains of Triple Seven pellets has a muzzle velocity of 1,944 fps and 2,434 ft./lbs. of energy. The Knight KP1 Wurfflein in the .45-70 Government caliber centerfire loaded with Hornady's LeverRevolution ammo has a 325-grain polymer tipped bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,050 fps with 3,032 ft./lbs. of energy.
As you can see, very little difference exists between the two weapons, certainly not enough to make a dramatic difference in killing power. The only real difference between the two weapons that I see, but one I personally appreciate, is that the .45-70 is much easier to clean after a hunt!...

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...08/index1.html

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Old April 20, 2011, 02:57 PM   #37
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Yeah but we're not limited to 45-70. We can use anything from 35 Whelen on up. As long as the bullet is .35 caliber or over it's legal.
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Old April 26, 2011, 08:11 PM   #38
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louisiana followed Mississippi on the primitive weapons season. now allowing .45/70 to be fired from any gun designed before 1890 something.
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