Second hand ammo - Page 2

Classic12 · January 17, 2021, 07:06 PM

Double post

Classic12 · January 17, 2021, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

Classic12, I'm drooling over all that beautiful .30 Luger.

Does that have a military designation (Like GP-11, GP-90, etc)? From the package it looks like it might be PP-03. (GP is Rifle Cartridge, so PP is Pistol Cartridge?)

To you happen to have the Model 06 to shoot it in?

It is the 03 cartridge (as in 1903)

The 9 mm is the 41 cartridge, it was introduced in 1941 for machine guns, and then used for the Sig P49 / P 210 and later for the P75 / P 220

They modified it in 2014

And here are the 1911 and 1990 rifle cartridges

I have two Swiss Lugers

DMK · January 18, 2021, 10:37 AM

^ Very nice Classic12! I am respectfully envious of your collection.

And thank you.

Is the 7.65 / 30 Luger a common cartridge in Switzerland due to it once being the primary military handgun round? (Like 45ACP is here in the US)

Classic12 · January 18, 2021, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

^ Very nice Classic12! I am respectfully envious of your collection.

And thank you.

Is the 7.65 / 30 Luger a common cartridge in Switzerland due to it once being the primary military handgun round? (Like 45ACP is here in the US)

Yes it is still quite prevalent here and one of only two pistol cartridges allowed at military shoots and competitions with the 9mm obviously

It is also still distributed by the army to the shooting societies for the said shoots.

DMK · January 18, 2021, 10:10 PM

Was the Luger the only gun to shoot 7.65 in Switzerland or were there others?

SIGSHR · January 18, 2021, 10:18 PM

"Hoarding is what "they" do.
"We" buy ahead,stock up, buy when it's on sale.

Classic12 · January 19, 2021, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

Was the Luger the only gun to shoot 7.65 in Switzerland or were there others?

The Luger was the only military gun. However Sig produced a certain number of P210 in .30 Luger for the civilian market, and did the same with the P220, although I believe the latter is rarer.

Here’s a 210-1 with fixed sights in 7.65 mm para

And a 210-6 with adjustable sights

Ignition Override · January 19, 2021, 07:22 PM

What beautiful Lugers (Schau mal die Puppe an!) and appealing varieties of ammo.

Sehr schon.
I can't create Umlauts.

DMK · January 19, 2021, 08:15 PM

Classic12, beautiful 210s! I bet those are really nice to shoot in 30 Luger.

Classic12 · January 20, 2021, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignition Override

What beautiful Lugers (Schau mal die Puppe an!) and appealing varieties of ammo.

Sehr schon.
I can't create Umlauts.

Vielen Dank

Classic12 · January 20, 2021, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

Classic12, beautiful 210s! I bet those are really nice to shoot in 30 Luger.

Indeed, less recoil, very soft shooting with an amazing trigger

The lighter and faster bullet creates a very flat trajectory

Those were shot at 50 meters

DMK · January 20, 2021, 08:08 PM

^ Nice shooting!

30 Luger sounds kind of like a soft shooting 7.62x25.

Come to think of it 7.62x25 would be awesome in a really nice gun like the Sig 210.

Classic12 · January 21, 2021, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMK

^ Nice shooting!

30 Luger sounds kind of like a soft shooting 7.62x25.

Come to think of it 7.62x25 would be awesome in a really nice gun like the Sig 210.

Indeed. A friend brought his Tokarev at the range a few months ago, he could barely hit the target at 50 meters, 1 or 2 hits in 5.

Classic12 · January 31, 2021, 01:48 PM

Received some more stuff

7.65 and 9mm Swiss military ammo

.45 Colt

.44-40 Win.

.22 lr

.22 short

And I drove to pick up some modern rounds from a couple guys who gave up shooting

9mm Geco

.357 Sig (Rem UMC) and .45 ACP (American Eagle)

.44 Magnum Magtech

12 ga slugs Magtech

Classic12 · January 31, 2021, 01:53 PM

And 2500 rounds of Serbian / PPU M193

upstate81 · February 1, 2021, 01:16 PM

Holy cow! I NEED that .44 ammo to feed my newly purchased smith and wesson 29-2

Classic12 · February 1, 2021, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upstate81

Holy cow! I NEED that .44 ammo to feed my newly purchased smith and wesson 29-2

Sorry, I can’t starve my own 29-2

upstate81 · February 1, 2021, 01:53 PM

Thats a beauty! Wish mine came with the target stocks. I have a nice set of grips on order. Enjoy that in good health sir.

Classic12 · May 15, 2021, 03:26 AM

Bought some more the last couple of month

Classic12 · May 15, 2021, 03:27 AM

10-96 · May 15, 2021, 12:22 PM

Classic12- Between your posts here and at the CZ Forum, you hang out with Bill Gates, don't you? Lol

Classic12 · May 15, 2021, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10-96

Classic12- Between your posts here and at the CZ Forum, you hang out with Bill Gates, don't you? Lol

Does Bill like guns ??

Classic12 · May 17, 2021, 12:31 PM

The original seller also had some loading components. Guess I’ll dust off the press and crank out a few thousand rounds

Anyone knows shelf life of primers ? This is from the sixties mostly

Classic12 · May 17, 2021, 12:33 PM

Classic12 · January 11, 2022, 11:20 AM

2022 update (new ammo)

It seems that the huge demand in the US is slowly raising prices here in Switzerland as well.

In October 2020 I bought several thousands of Winchester 9 mm ammo for $ 215.-/1000.

The same ammo then jumped to $ 248.-/1000 in the summer of 2021. I found another source and bought 30’000 rounds of 124 gr Sellier & Bellot for $ 222.-/1000 for the whole shooting club. I drove 400 miles to pick it up, as shipping would have added another $ 400.- to the bill. Needless to say we shot it all in the summer and fall and it is now out of stock at the LGS.

So today I went to one of the big LGS to check prices and availability. I was hoping to buy some of this cheap ($ 390.-/1000) 7.62 X 39 for my new AK. Out of stock.

So instead I took 2000 rounds of Geco at $ 540.-/1000, 2000 rds of the 9 mm Winchester for $ 248.-/1000, and grabbed 2000 rds of repackaged milsurp 5.56 NATO 62 gr at $ 435.- / 1000.

I also asked them if I could buy 30’000 rounds of the Win 9mm for the club, and at what price. He mentioned the owner might agree to a $ 5.-/1000 discount IF he agrees to let go of 30’000 rounds. I’ll check in tomorrow.

I’ve read the article on Vista and how higher prices mean higher margins for them and it’s unlikely prices will come down anytime soon. I also need to figure out how much I have and how much I need for the rest of my shooting career, so I can stop buying someday (I’m 53 so I hope to shoot for a good 20-25 more years).

January 17, 2021, 07:06 PM	#26
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Second hand ammo Double post

January 18, 2021, 10:37 AM	#28
DMK Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2001 Location: Over the hills and far, far away Posts: 3,198	^ Very nice Classic12! I am respectfully envious of your collection. And thank you. Is the 7.65 / 30 Luger a common cartridge in Switzerland due to it once being the primary military handgun round? (Like 45ACP is here in the US) __________________ - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment - www.gunowners.org - www.saf.org - act.nraila.org - www.grnc.org

January 18, 2021, 10:10 PM	#30
DMK Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2001 Location: Over the hills and far, far away Posts: 3,198	Was the Luger the only gun to shoot 7.65 in Switzerland or were there others? __________________ - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment - www.gunowners.org - www.saf.org - act.nraila.org - www.grnc.org

January 19, 2021, 08:15 PM	#34
DMK Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2001 Location: Over the hills and far, far away Posts: 3,198	Classic12, beautiful 210s! I bet those are really nice to shoot in 30 Luger. __________________ - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment - www.gunowners.org - www.saf.org - act.nraila.org - www.grnc.org

January 20, 2021, 08:08 PM	#37
DMK Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2001 Location: Over the hills and far, far away Posts: 3,198	^ Nice shooting! 30 Luger sounds kind of like a soft shooting 7.62x25. Come to think of it 7.62x25 would be awesome in a really nice gun like the Sig 210. __________________ - Homeland Security begins at home: Support your Second Amendment - www.gunowners.org - www.saf.org - act.nraila.org - www.grnc.org

January 18, 2021, 10:18 PM	#31
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,683	"Hoarding is what "they" do. "We" buy ahead,stock up, buy when it's on sale.

January 19, 2021, 07:22 PM	#33
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,835	What beautiful Lugers (Schau mal die Puppe an!) and appealing varieties of ammo. Sehr schon. I can't create Umlauts.

January 31, 2021, 01:48 PM	#39
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Received some more stuff 7.65 and 9mm Swiss military ammo .45 Colt .44-40 Win. .22 lr .22 short And I drove to pick up some modern rounds from a couple guys who gave up shooting 9mm Geco .357 Sig (Rem UMC) and .45 ACP (American Eagle) .44 Magnum Magtech 12 ga slugs Magtech

January 31, 2021, 01:53 PM	#40
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	And 2500 rounds of Serbian / PPU M193

February 1, 2021, 01:16 PM	#41
upstate81 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 791	Holy cow! I NEED that .44 ammo to feed my newly purchased smith and wesson 29-2

February 1, 2021, 01:53 PM	#43
upstate81 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 791	Thats a beauty! Wish mine came with the target stocks. I have a nice set of grips on order. Enjoy that in good health sir.

May 15, 2021, 03:26 AM	#44
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Bought some more the last couple of month

May 15, 2021, 03:27 AM	#45
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696

May 15, 2021, 12:22 PM	#46
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,155	Classic12- Between your posts here and at the CZ Forum, you hang out with Bill Gates, don't you? Lol __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

May 17, 2021, 12:31 PM	#48
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	The original seller also had some loading components. Guess I’ll dust off the press and crank out a few thousand rounds Anyone knows shelf life of primers ? This is from the sixties mostly

May 17, 2021, 12:33 PM	#49
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696

January 11, 2022, 11:20 AM	#50
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	2022 update (new ammo) It seems that the huge demand in the US is slowly raising prices here in Switzerland as well. In October 2020 I bought several thousands of Winchester 9 mm ammo for $ 215.-/1000. The same ammo then jumped to $ 248.-/1000 in the summer of 2021. I found another source and bought 30’000 rounds of 124 gr Sellier & Bellot for $ 222.-/1000 for the whole shooting club. I drove 400 miles to pick it up, as shipping would have added another $ 400.- to the bill. Needless to say we shot it all in the summer and fall and it is now out of stock at the LGS. So today I went to one of the big LGS to check prices and availability. I was hoping to buy some of this cheap ($ 390.-/1000) 7.62 X 39 for my new AK. Out of stock. So instead I took 2000 rounds of Geco at $ 540.-/1000, 2000 rds of the 9 mm Winchester for $ 248.-/1000, and grabbed 2000 rds of repackaged milsurp 5.56 NATO 62 gr at $ 435.- / 1000. I also asked them if I could buy 30’000 rounds of the Win 9mm for the club, and at what price. He mentioned the owner might agree to a $ 5.-/1000 discount IF he agrees to let go of 30’000 rounds. I’ll check in tomorrow. I’ve read the article on Vista and how higher prices mean higher margins for them and it’s unlikely prices will come down anytime soon. I also need to figure out how much I have and how much I need for the rest of my shooting career, so I can stop buying someday (I’m 53 so I hope to shoot for a good 20-25 more years).

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