Open vs. Concealed carry? - Page 2

cschwanz · January 30, 2009, 09:48 PM

concealed.

its nobody's business but mine to know if i am carrying a gun or not.

Smallgame2100 · January 30, 2009, 09:49 PM

I dont carry, but when I do it'll be concealed

wjh2657 · February 3, 2009, 12:45 AM

Here in Tennessee I can carry either way. I am the Gray Man. Always concealed.

the_pragmaticist · February 4, 2009, 02:44 PM

In Ohio, we have the option to choose. You don't often see folks open carrying, but some do and I've done it myself without getting more than the occasional double take from the "nervous nellies". More often than not though, discretion prevails and it's kept well hidden.

On a side note, can anyone recommend a good OWB holster for a P3AT? I'm dying to OC this thing.

The Great Mahoo · February 4, 2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rsgraebert

On a side note, can anyone recommend a good OWB holster for a P3AT? I'm dying to OC this thing.

K&D You could try the Mini-Defender from K&D. I've been waiting a long time for my new holster from them, but I like their stuff.

elrod · February 4, 2009, 06:10 PM

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In a civilized situation (urban/suburban environment)

Now, there's an oxymoron, if I ever heard one!

Stiofan · February 4, 2009, 06:37 PM

I CC in town and on the trail. If I go deep enough on the trail where I need my .41 Mag for bigger critters, I'll open carry.

Information is power. I prefer around town not to give extra information to others whether I am carrying or not.

P5 Guy · February 4, 2009, 10:26 PM

Only because that is the only legal way off my property. I'd rather not worry about being covered all the time in public. Open carry should be the norm in my opinion.

scorpion_tyr · February 4, 2009, 11:16 PM

It depends. If I'm in out in public it's concealed, always. No open carry here in TX, but even if we could and the times I've been in states where I could I still don't.

If I'm on my property, in my house, out in the driveway, etc. It's open carry. I personally feel that the best place for my firearm when I'm in the house is on my side. It's the easiest to get to and I don't have to worry about any of the kids that live with me getting it.

JayT.40 · February 7, 2009, 02:27 PM

It just kinda makes sense to me to concealed carry if at all possible in public. I have some friends that would practically freak out if they saw a gun in public (especially on my hip

), and secondly, if someone comes in the store I'm in, intending to rob the place, him seeing the gun might just make me the first target of elimination. Count on him not asking politely for the gun.

golfnutrlv · February 7, 2009, 02:36 PM

I live in WA, which is technically an open carry state. The law system as it is is not terribly clear about the standard, and open carry just brings up too many questions in my area.

Additionally, concealed carry gives you a tactical advantage, in that only you know it is there until the SHTF.

Better to be the phantom armed citizen. The goal of course is to protect your life, not make yourself a target by open carrying. IMO.

BTW: I support open carry rights, but I think it is not always the smartest play.

Kline605 · February 7, 2009, 02:59 PM

Concealed most of the time, but have carried open when returning from a range or training.

Para Bellum · February 7, 2009, 04:06 PM

The element of surprise.
I'd rather look like a lamb and fight like a wolf than the other way round...

Glenn E. Meyer · February 8, 2009, 06:36 PM

I was thinking about this aspect. If you carry in an urban setting, have you gotten training in handgun retention and associated H2H techinques? Police do as they have significant number of incidents where they are shot with their own gun.

The Great Mahoo · February 9, 2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

I was thinking about this aspect. If you carry in an urban setting, have you gotten training in handgun retention and associated H2H techinques? Police do as they have significant number of incidents where they are shot with their own gun.

Probably not as much as I should, being a responsible gun owner. Although I do find that proper gear does help prevent someone else from nabbing your gun a fair bit.

I'm from a mostly suburban area though, not lost in the crowded streets of a metropolis, so we usually get a bit of space between each other.

Singlesix1954 · February 9, 2009, 09:26 AM

Lately we had cc permits added to our lives. The myth was that our state led folks to belive they were giving us more rights. Truth is they took our right to cc away with the option to buy it back. That said it is and has always been ok to carry open anywhere in the state. Very few oc often. I do when hunting, but not to Wally world or Pizza Hut etc. CC is almost a need to keep others around you from thinking you are nuts. Sort of a social stigma. For me I will get my permit more to protect me from the gray area of haveing guns in autos than self protection from badguys in rual NE. The politics have turned cc into a way for our state to charge us for one more thing. The big loosers here may prove to be batterd wives who don't have the guts to leave the kreep because that little pistol in the purse is a ticket to jail. It's a proven fact that waveing a restraining order at a mean creaton doesn't get the same respect as holding a gun and telling him to leave you alone. Now that girl has to come up with $100 and wait for a date for a course to protect herself.

freakshow10mm · February 9, 2009, 10:20 AM

The element of surprise is never taught as a defensive action, always offensive. I know of no army or police force that trains to keep their arms concealed to have the advantage of surprise should they be attacked. They wear them openly.

I open carry more than I conceal. I only conceal at my other job because the boss wants me to. If I'm not at my other job, I'm open carrying. It's more comfortable and quicker to access if need be. No shirt or jacket to fling out of the way or lift. In MI, we have preemption that makes it illegal for local governments to pass or enforce laws restricting the carrying of arms. Every time someone gets arrested for lawfully open carrying, the city/police force gets taken to the cleaners.

OP, I know what you mean. I'm a WI native. Born in Oshkosh, lived in Milwaukee (84th and Good Hope; 91-95), most recently from Green Bay. I moved up here 4 years ago to get away from Doyle. Good luck with that.

NavyLT · February 9, 2009, 04:18 PM

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The element of surprise is never taught as a defensive action, always offensive. I know of no army or police force that trains to keep their arms concealed to have the advantage of surprise should they be attacked. They wear them openly.

+1 I never could understand the element of surprise myth either. I suppose if your intention is to have a better chance at shooting a BG, then the element of surprise would make sense. But if your intention is to keep from being a target of a BG in the first place, visible detterence makes much more sense.

supergas452M · February 9, 2009, 04:43 PM

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I usually run an OWB Blackhawk Serpa, and leave my leather jacket over it where it is mostly concealed. The Serpa is probably the greatest holster made, with its active retention, quick draw, and excellent comfort factor.

BlackHawk Serpa is the greatest holster ever????

:barf:

Maybe you better read this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=45333

And this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=49192

badlander · February 9, 2009, 06:41 PM

I carry concealed because open carry is illegal in Florida. I would open carry if it was legal. I am one of those older guys mentioned that carried concealed before it was legal. I always thought it better to get caught by police with it than some bad guys without it.
If you dress nice while open carrying most people will just think you are A cop.If you dress like A bum It will probably scare them.

chemgirlie · February 9, 2009, 09:01 PM

Because I live in WI, I can't carry. If I could it would be concealed.

gollbladder13 · February 9, 2009, 09:11 PM

Yeah, I'm in WI too... what area? Know any good ranges?

chemgirlie · February 10, 2009, 08:51 PM

I'm in the Madison area. I usually go to the Shooter Shop (near Milwaukee).

KLRANGL · February 10, 2009, 09:27 PM

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BlackHawk Serpa is the greatest holster ever????

Maybe you better read this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=45333

And this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=49192

As someone who can admit that he is wrong, I very well may be wrong here... I say maybe because I take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt, especially ones I don't know. As I have many friends who own and swear by Serpas (as well as a cop buddy), I am a bit skeptical, but rest assured I will definitely look into this much more. Thank you for showing me this... It has definitely opened my eyes...

View Poll Results: How do you carry?
Open	4	2.61%
Concealed	94	61.44%
Depends	38	24.84%
Don't Carry	17	11.11%
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January 30, 2009, 09:48 PM	#26
cschwanz Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: IN Posts: 321	concealed. its nobody's business but mine to know if i am carrying a gun or not. __________________ SA XD .45 Compact -- 5" Colt XSE -- Glock 21SF Savage Mark-II .22LR Member:NRA, DU, PF Ignorance can be fixed....its called education. Stupid will get you killed!

February 3, 2009, 12:45 AM	#28
wjh2657 Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: Lafayette, TN Posts: 49	Here in Tennessee I can carry either way. I am the Gray Man. Always concealed. __________________ " A man has got to know his limitations!" Inspector Harry Callihan, SFPD

February 4, 2009, 11:16 PM	#34
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	It depends. If I'm in out in public it's concealed, always. No open carry here in TX, but even if we could and the times I've been in states where I could I still don't. If I'm on my property, in my house, out in the driveway, etc. It's open carry. I personally feel that the best place for my firearm when I'm in the house is on my side. It's the easiest to get to and I don't have to worry about any of the kids that live with me getting it. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

February 7, 2009, 02:27 PM	#35
JayT.40 Junior Member Join Date: January 23, 2009 Posts: 2	Open carry or concealed? It just kinda makes sense to me to concealed carry if at all possible in public. I have some friends that would practically freak out if they saw a gun in public (especially on my hip ), and secondly, if someone comes in the store I'm in, intending to rob the place, him seeing the gun might just make me the first target of elimination. Count on him not asking politely for the gun. __________________ Shoot first, ask questions later. If they're still moving, empty another clip.

January 30, 2009, 09:49 PM	#27
Smallgame2100 Junior member Join Date: January 8, 2009 Location: New York Posts: 164	I dont carry, but when I do it'll be concealed

February 4, 2009, 02:44 PM	#29
the_pragmaticist Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2008 Posts: 201	In Ohio, we have the option to choose. You don't often see folks open carrying, but some do and I've done it myself without getting more than the occasional double take from the "nervous nellies". More often than not though, discretion prevails and it's kept well hidden. On a side note, can anyone recommend a good OWB holster for a P3AT? I'm dying to OC this thing.

February 4, 2009, 06:37 PM	#32
Stiofan Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2006 Location: Panhandle, Idaho Posts: 714	I CC in town and on the trail. If I go deep enough on the trail where I need my .41 Mag for bigger critters, I'll open carry. Information is power. I prefer around town not to give extra information to others whether I am carrying or not.

February 4, 2009, 10:26 PM	#33
P5 Guy Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 1,804	Only because that is the only legal way off my property. I'd rather not worry about being covered all the time in public. Open carry should be the norm in my opinion.

February 7, 2009, 02:36 PM	#36
golfnutrlv Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,347	I live in WA, which is technically an open carry state. The law system as it is is not terribly clear about the standard, and open carry just brings up too many questions in my area. Additionally, concealed carry gives you a tactical advantage, in that only you know it is there until the SHTF. Better to be the phantom armed citizen. The goal of course is to protect your life, not make yourself a target by open carrying. IMO. BTW: I support open carry rights, but I think it is not always the smartest play. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ VIGILIA PRETIUM LIBERTATIS "The price of liberty is vigilance" America is at an awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.

February 7, 2009, 02:59 PM	#37
Kline605 Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 49	Concealed most of the time, but have carried open when returning from a range or training.

February 7, 2009, 04:06 PM	#38
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	concealed The element of surprise. I'd rather look like a lamb and fight like a wolf than the other way round... __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

February 8, 2009, 06:36 PM	#39
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I was thinking about this aspect. If you carry in an urban setting, have you gotten training in handgun retention and associated H2H techinques? Police do as they have significant number of incidents where they are shot with their own gun. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 9, 2009, 09:26 AM	#41
Singlesix1954 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Rural Ne Posts: 580	Nebraska Lately we had cc permits added to our lives. The myth was that our state led folks to belive they were giving us more rights. Truth is they took our right to cc away with the option to buy it back. That said it is and has always been ok to carry open anywhere in the state. Very few oc often. I do when hunting, but not to Wally world or Pizza Hut etc. CC is almost a need to keep others around you from thinking you are nuts. Sort of a social stigma. For me I will get my permit more to protect me from the gray area of haveing guns in autos than self protection from badguys in rual NE. The politics have turned cc into a way for our state to charge us for one more thing. The big loosers here may prove to be batterd wives who don't have the guts to leave the kreep because that little pistol in the purse is a ticket to jail. It's a proven fact that waveing a restraining order at a mean creaton doesn't get the same respect as holding a gun and telling him to leave you alone. Now that girl has to come up with $100 and wait for a date for a course to protect herself.

February 9, 2009, 10:20 AM	#42
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	The element of surprise is never taught as a defensive action, always offensive. I know of no army or police force that trains to keep their arms concealed to have the advantage of surprise should they be attacked. They wear them openly. I open carry more than I conceal. I only conceal at my other job because the boss wants me to. If I'm not at my other job, I'm open carrying. It's more comfortable and quicker to access if need be. No shirt or jacket to fling out of the way or lift. In MI, we have preemption that makes it illegal for local governments to pass or enforce laws restricting the carrying of arms. Every time someone gets arrested for lawfully open carrying, the city/police force gets taken to the cleaners. OP, I know what you mean. I'm a WI native. Born in Oshkosh, lived in Milwaukee (84th and Good Hope; 91-95), most recently from Green Bay. I moved up here 4 years ago to get away from Doyle. Good luck with that.

February 9, 2009, 06:41 PM	#45
badlander Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2008 Location: So. Fla Posts: 344	I carry concealed because open carry is illegal in Florida. I would open carry if it was legal. I am one of those older guys mentioned that carried concealed before it was legal. I always thought it better to get caught by police with it than some bad guys without it. If you dress nice while open carrying most people will just think you are A cop.If you dress like A bum It will probably scare them.

February 9, 2009, 09:01 PM	#46
chemgirlie Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 331	Because I live in WI, I can't carry. If I could it would be concealed.

February 9, 2009, 09:11 PM	#47
gollbladder13 Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 42	Yeah, I'm in WI too... what area? Know any good ranges?

February 10, 2009, 08:51 PM	#48
chemgirlie Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 331	I'm in the Madison area. I usually go to the Shooter Shop (near Milwaukee).