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Old July 1, 2018, 08:04 PM   #51
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Just got back from the range with my Savage 10 6.5 Creedmoor (the one you linked to above but left handed). It's a very adequate rifle and does its job but so far the accuracy hasn't been all that I expected it to be. Although I've had several 3 shot groups around 1/2" at 100 yards, most often 5 shot groups are about an inch or a little over. This is with Hornady American Gunner and Federal Gold Medal Match ammo. I would like to see it shoot consistently under an inch at this distance. I also find that the stock and the grip are not well suited to bench shooting (or most types of precision shooting really) and I'm considering if it's worth losing "production" class status at PRS matches to change them out to something that's a little better. The trigger is great for a factory rifle. The bolt is a little sticky but I'm noticing it's getting smoother as I shoot it.

That's my short take on that one. I'll probably put up a thread about it in a little bit.
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Old July 1, 2018, 08:06 PM   #52
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Also I would consider taking a look at this one. I really wanted it myself but they don't make a lefty so I went with the Savage. Last year I shot a PRS match with a guy who was running one of these and he was really doing quite well with it even at the long stages.

https://www.cabelas.com/product/BERG...LE/2463726.uts
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Old July 1, 2018, 08:54 PM   #53
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On post #42, I wouldn't mind getting that barrel ($399), plus boyd's at one stock ($189) or this stock https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...prod85572.aspx, rail base ($59.99) plus the scope.

What is quality of this barrel? I ask just because I just don't know and not trying to knock on taylorce1, which I thank for his suggestion which caught my attention.

The description says capacity is 5+1, does this mean this is a top load or do I have to get a magazine? I see in the site is has a 10rd mag and a 5rd mag which both are out of stock.

Out of curiosity, how does FFL work. I never ordered a firearm online. There is no shipping fee but there is a fee for the FFL right? Plus tax too.
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Old July 1, 2018, 09:00 PM   #54
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Thank you very much for your input dakota.potts, sure helps me to break down my list. I did contemplate the Bergara B-14 HMR as well.

Looking forward to your thread on your Savage 10. Thanks again.
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Old July 2, 2018, 12:22 AM   #55
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The description says capacity is 5+1, does this mean this is a top load or do I have to get a magazine? I see in the site is has a 10rd mag and a 5rd mag which both are out of stock.

Out of curiosity, how does FFL work. I never ordered a firearm online. There is no shipping fee but there is a fee for the FFL right? Plus tax too.
That barreled action has an internal magazine with floorplate, so you will have to load each round from the top. If you want a detachable magazine, you would be better off buying one of the other two rifles you linked. Pretty much every Howa rifle I've been around has been a decent shooter, most of them shoot better than the average person using them.

Ordering online your first time can be daunting, but really it's pretty easy. Bud's, Brownells, Gunbroker, and many other online sales can help you find an FFL who can handle your transfer. Most of them have a "Find an FFL" link to click on, input your zip code and it'll give you a list of FFL transfer agents in your area. Most charge around $25-35 for this service, there is usually no tax unless you purchased the firearm in your state.

So all you do is order your firearm and select an FFL at checkout to have it shipped to. Give the FFL a courtesy call and let them know you ordered a firearm and are having it shipped to them. Then when it shows up go down to the FFL, fill out the paperwork, pay your fee, and take your new lead slinger home. It is really that simple.
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Old July 2, 2018, 12:46 AM   #56
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Thanks for the help taylorce1. I am really trying to stay away from buying a rifle with stock if I do plan on getting a stock of my choise such as boyd's. Are there other options available as I'm liking the idea of building one?
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Old July 2, 2018, 12:54 AM   #57
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Would this kit possibly work?

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Old July 2, 2018, 11:23 AM   #58
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What would be a reason why the RPR is much more than the Ruger American Predators if they have the same action/barrel? Because of the chasis?

The Boyds At-One does fit to something similar I am looking for.

You that had 3 RPR's, what made you sell two of them?

The Bergara is much more that I am looking to spend. I still have to have the cope in mind also.
A $35 molded stock vs. a chassis. AR15 style handguard, buttstock and grip, plus lower that allows both major styles of magazines, plus a comp.

The RPRs are a decent rifle. But for the money, I think there are better choices. I bought 1, won one and was given another as part of payment for running the American Marksman competition. The one I kept is an integrally suppressed .308 with everything except the action replaced with better parts.

The B-14 HMR is in the exact same price range as the RPR. $850 to $1000 is where I have seen them priced.
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Old July 2, 2018, 07:49 PM   #59
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I'm guessing you're talking about the optional DBM bottom metal that Howa offers. Yes it will work, and is an option but you still have to buy nearly $100 apiece ACIS magazines. So your really close to the price of one of the other rifles you linked. To me I'd rather have the chassis on the RPR, Bergara, or Savage Stealth than the Boyd's At-One.
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Old July 2, 2018, 11:40 PM   #60
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Well I did see this one:
https://twotesticlestactical.co/prod...SABEgKi1vD_BwE

Was hoping it would work. LOL.
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Old July 3, 2018, 09:07 PM   #61
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Well those mags are cheaper, but I still don't think I'd choose the Boyd's At-One over the other factory chassis style stocks. If I were going to buy a $600 chassis like the X-Ray 180 chassis that you are interested in I wouldn't be putting a $400 barreled action in it. I'd be building a rifle from the action up, starting with a custom action.
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Old July 4, 2018, 08:36 AM   #62
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Taylor have you fired one of those cheap barreled actions yet? I have one in the cheap factory stock. 10 shot groups at 100 yards with sand bags can be covered with a quarter that has room to spare. That is with a target that shifts in the wind as well. Another person showed up with one of the high dollar chassis rifles. His did a bit over 1 MOA at 100 yards with two brands of match ammo.

The Savage will hold its own with many provided the shooter can do their part. I have as of yet to see a Savage that would not drive tacks right out of the box. That includes a cheap .243 Win with a thin sporter barrel. With Federal Fusion it shot half MOA out of the box using the Nikon scope on it.
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Old July 4, 2018, 11:06 AM   #63
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Taylor have you fired one of those cheap barreled actions yet?
I shoot the cheap rifles all the time, in fact I have a Howa .308 I just bought for $400 and dropped into a Howa Alpine stock that I paid $200 for used. I also shoot a lot of old Stevens 200 rifles, most have new barrels on them now but I still run use a .223 and .243 in factory plastic stocks and they shoot great. However, I still wouldn't buy a $600+ stock and drop a factory barreled action in it. I just think the factory chassis on the most of the other rifles suggested here are better than the At-One stock, and they are easily degradable for less money than buying a new $600+ chassis.

I have three factory barreled actions in McMillan stocks that most would cost $500-700 to buy, but I picked them all up used and don't have more than $400 for the most expensive and less than $200 on the cheapest. The problem is they all but one shot great before dropping them in McMillan stocks, the only reason the other didn't was because it came to me without a stock. The other was a M670 Winchester that I sent the factory stock off to have a recoil pad installed, the stock was lost and I never got it back. The last one was a M70 EW that I hated the B&C stock on and almost sold the whole rifle before I ran across the McMillan it sits in now, sold the B&C and it made my used Edge FW stock the cheapest of them all.
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Old July 4, 2018, 01:08 PM   #64
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The beauty of buying a nice stock is much like a good scope....you can always take it with you on the next build ( just keeping that action which can be paired with very good barrels.) I also will chime in that I am 2 for 2 on the Boyds stocks and the added value they bring if you take the time and bed your barrel/action into them. I was wary but both provided me with inexpensive upgrades that instantly made a impact on the way the rifle shot. Then when I went back and did the DIY bedding with the kits...wow. I will be buying a Chassis MDT for my Savage 12FV as a comparison to the Thumbhole Varmit style stock from Boyds. Mainly for the periods of time when my hands/wrists are flaring up ( Rheumatoid Arthritis) and I need a pistol grip style to keep shooting And also cause I will no doubt pick up another 12 FV in the future in either 223 or 6.5....and name it the Varminator
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Is there a reason why Boyd's is not a good choice or why you would avoid it? Not saying I am stuck on Boyd's, just don't know enough about the subject of building a rifle to know why certain stocks are preferred/not preferred/not a good choice or how it effects the rifle as a whole apart from the other parts/components.

You can tell me I am way over my head... no hard feelings if I am, perhaps I am. Lol.

What would be a better choice stock then or what would a "better" build be then? Is the Howa still a good choice? How well can a build be with $1200 not counting the scope (have money aside for scope).

As you can see I still have much to learn and just hoping to see if I can get pointed to the right direction.

Not looking to get a super rifle (don't know what other term to use) but hopefully you get the idea.

I looked up rifle builds online and came across many but this one showed a picture diagram. https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...-action-rifle/
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I don't mind the Boyd's stock at all, I just don't think it's a great stock. The At-One is a poor attempt at a chassis stock and while functional it is limited. You're limited on pistol grip and forearm styles. Same with the other chassis the X-Ray 180 you linked, it is severely limited as to what you can do with it. I just think a chassis system like MDT that allows parts interchangeability is a far better option.

Also I don't think you're in over your head, but I don't think you are considering everything. The barreled action I turned you onto is $400 but you need to add probably around $35 for transfer fees, so it's now $435. The stock is $189, but it looks like they sell the extra forearm and pistol grip seperately, so you'll be over $200 for that with shipping. Next buy the DBM bottom metal and two magazines like you linked and you're in for another $120 at least plus add your rail for another $60. Now you have a total of around $810 and you'll still need to assemble your parts. When you assemble everything you would be better off bedding your barreled action into that At-One stock which if you don't do yourself will set you back at least another $125 and that puts you to $935 +/- for your rifle.

That's why I've said you're better off buying one of the Chassis style rifles you linked earlier. At least the stocks on the ones you linked are more modular and you can change out a few parts to make them more custom fit to you. Right now the ABA Howa 6.5 Creed is far cheaper than anything you can put together yourself, and connects a lot of things you seem to be looking for. It also retains the ability to upgrade butt stock, pistol grip, and forearm. Now you might want to thread it for a suppressor or brake, but you'll still have less in the rifle than if you start with the barreled action I linked you going the route you seem to be wanting. Plus you can sell off the parts you don't like to help recoup some money to buy the ones you do. That just isn't an option with the X-Ray 180 or At-One stock.

If you just wanted to put together a varmint/bench rifle by putting it in the Boyd's, bedding it, and putting your optics of choice on top then what I linked is still a good option. However, I don't really think that's the rifle you're going for. These are the reasons, I'm now trying to steer you away from the direction I originally sent you.
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Old July 5, 2018, 12:47 AM   #67
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Thank you for the reply.

I knew I was missing something but didn't know what it was and yes I'm also looking for a particular look. Guess now I know why the other posts were suggestion to just get one instead already built instead of building one myself.

Thank you for the link you provided. Guess will have to decide which one to go with now.
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Old July 8, 2018, 08:01 AM   #68
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Savage 12 Long Range Precision - Don't try to over engineer it. good Luck
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